How To File A Motion

Many of you have already figured this out, but I thought I might make it a little easier for the new John Does, as they are coming in fast and furious.  I will also add this information to the Motions page.

This is a Rough Guide

Please use these instructions as a guide and not the final rule for filing. Please note that each jurisdiction is a little different and they do have local rules that may be applicable. The good thing I have seen with many of the courts is that for Pro Se John Does, the courts tend to be more lenient on filing errors. Having said that, it still worth reviewing the local rules for each jurisdiction and abiding by them. For example, John Steele has previously been successful in getting Motions tossed in the IL courts just because the Doe did not file a “Notice of Presentment,” announcing that a Motion was going to be presented to the court. A well-crafted Motion goes a long way in showing the court you should be taken seriously.

Standing

One thing the court and the Troll is going to look at is your “Standing,” to file the Motion on the case. This essentially is “What gives you the right to file the Motion for the case.” For majority of the Does, this is as easy as “I’m one of Does in this case.” If you are not a Doe in one of these cases, the court is less likely to accept a Motion or Declaration without some good justification. I was fortunate enough to start filing my declarations in response to one Troll filing a declaration complaining about Does filing “Template Motions,” obtained from various Web sites and Blogs. As I run a Blog dedicated to fighting Copyright Trolls and providing Motion template/examples to Does, I had an “In.” It also helped that I was Doe in one of the earlier cases. The thing to remember is whatever the Troll states in the complaint, supporting documents, and other court filings are fair game. “Open a door for me and I will come in.”

Court Web Site

OK – after you determine what type of Motion/Declaration you are filing, go to the Web site for the court the case was filed in. Here is the one for Washington DC Court.  From the Web site you can find the local rules , court mailing address, as well as contact information. If all else fails, call the clerk of the court and ask them questions. These are public servants who get paid to assist. Please be courteous to the clerk – otherwise you will make it harder for the rest of us. Here is one example (cut/paste) from the DC local rules on the page length.

A memorandum of points and authorities in support of or in opposition to a motion shall not exceed 45 pages and a reply memorandum shall not exceed 25 pages, without prior approval of the court. Documents that fail to comply with this provision shall not be filed by the Clerk.

One Troll in AZ recently made this mistake and the judge stated he wouldn’t look at their declaration.

Certificate Of Service

I will not go into details on tailoring your Motion/Declaration, as that is very specific to each case and situation. For your Motion/Declaration, you will need to add a “Certificate of Service” (COS). For the Motion templates on my Blog, this is the final page. The COS is used to tell the court that you have sent a copy of the Motion/Declaration to the Troll and you are not trying to surprise them. The date on the COS is the date you mail out the Motion/Declaration.

Sign & Date

Sign and date the Motion/Declaration – either as John Doe, John Doe #/IP address, or Real Name (Yes some people Doe this – see me latest Declarations (#4 & #5)). I would also suggest listing an email address that cannot be associated to your real name or other emails accounts.

Number of Copies

Make the required number of copies – usually one for the Troll and one for the ISP. For my Declarations, I don’t send anything to an ISP – as they are not a player. For the ISP copy, make sure you write your IP address on the copy, as well as attach a memo telling the ISP that you filed a Motion to Quash, provide delivery confirmation number (Screenshot of delivery via USPS is also good), and not to release your personal information until the court rules on your Motion.

Destination & Return Addresses

Prepare three envelopes addressed to the Court, Troll, and ISP. The court address can be obtained via their Web site. Call the clerk of the court if unsure. The address of the Troll can be found at the end of the complaint they filed with the court. The address of the ISP (Legal Dept.) will be on the paperwork they sent you concerning the subpoena for subscriber information. Unless you want the Court and Troll to figure out who filed the Motion/Declaration, DON’T put your real name or address in the “Return Address” field – Make something up (mine is 711 Torpedo Way).

Post Marks

For mailing the Motion/Declaration, remember that there is going to be a post mark showing which post office handled it first (City/State). This may allow the troll to figure out who you are. They are able to geolocate all the IP addresses and see who lives near the mailing post office. If all the Does are from the same jurisdiction, it is less likely, but I would still mail it from a city other than your own. I use a remailing service so the Court and Troll will only see the post mark from another State. I make it clear in the Motion/Declaration that I’m doing this to avoid detection by the Trolls, as they have publicly stated they will & have gone after Does who file Motions. Follow the instruction provided by whatever remailing service you use. I prefer to manually stamp my envelopes verses pay with a credit/debit card. If you are going to mail them from your general location, I would still suggest doing it from somewhere a couple of cities away.

Monitoring

After mailing, it will take some time for delivery, review by the court, and scan/filing in PACER. Give it a little time, but don’t be afraid to call the clerk of the court and ask. Monitor the case in PACER and please post anything interesting.  Take a look at this cartoon.

Good luck.

DieTrollDie :)

“Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance.”

114 Responses to How To File A Motion

  1. DR says:

    I am assisting a friend with this and wanted to know if anyone can sign up for Pacer to monitor the status of his motion? Would it benefit sending these docs through Fed-Ex?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Yes, anyone can sign up. Just have to have a credit card so excess charges can be billed. If you are only monitoring One case, that shouldn’t happen. If you need to get the documents there ASAP, Fed-Ex (or other fast carrier) will work. If time is short, also get some sort of delivery confirmation to show the ISP it made it to the court.

      DTD :)

      • Concerned_Dad says:

        Can you Hand deliver the motion to the court while mailing them the same day to the plaintiff?

      • DieTrollDie says:

        You should be able to, but I would mail the Plaintiff their copy prior to delivering the motion to the court – your motion will have the certification that you mailed the Plaintiff a copy on that date.

        DTD :)

  2. hokeymcdokey says:

    I am working on my motion to quash but haven’t really started typing it yet. I have a pacer account and looked up my case. I found it but it was only listed in the Southern District of Texas whereas my copy of the subpoena came from the Washington DC Court with a note that it had also been filed in the Southern District of Texas. Is this normal? Do they actually file in two places. I live clear across the country in California, so I really don’t know what their purpose is.

    On my pacer account apparently I am a noob because other than finding my case, I cannot look at any documentation either because I don’t know how or it’s not there yet. My case was opened 2/15/12 so I would think something would be there by now. Apparently I need some pacer training. I’m up to .24 (3 pages) and nothing worth while yet.

    Also noticed there was another case with the same number back in 2010 but it was closed in Nov. 2011.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Send me an email (doerayme2011@hotmail.com) with you case number and I will try to assist with PACER. Once I look at the case, I can give you a better answer.

      DTD :)

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Here is the docket history from PACER. After you log-in, go to the search page (https://pcl.uscourts.gov/search) and enter 4:11-cv-04501. Two cases will come up – select Millennium TGA, Inc. v. Doe. Select the document/history and then should be good to go. If you can use the FireFox browser with the RECAP plug-in (https://www.recapthelaw.org/), that will upload a copy of any documents you purchase. These document can be found in the RECAP archive (http://archive.recapthelaw.org/)

      I would get all the documents and start reading. Looks like there was some sort of conference – might be interesting what the court was telling the Troll – Could be the court isn’t happy with them taking so long. There was a motion for more time and the court recently ruled on it – read the order to find out. There was also a MTQ filed – Take a look at it.

      Hope this helps. DTD :)

      4:11-cv-04501 Millennium TGA, Inc. v. Doe
      Vanessa D Gilmore, presiding
      Date filed: 12/20/2011
      Date of last filing: 03/28/2012

      No. Dates Description
      1 Filed & Entered: 12/20/2011 – Complaint
      2 Filed & Entered: 12/21/2011 Terminated: 02/09/2012 – Motion to Expedite
      3 Filed & Entered: 12/21/2011 – Order for Initial Conference and Disclosure
      4 Filed & Entered: 12/22/2011 – Corporate Disclosure Statement
      5 Filed & Entered: 01/05/2012 – Memorandum and Order re Motions – FORM – Judge Gilmore
      6 Filed: 02/09/2012 Entered: 02/10/2012 – Order on Motion to Expedite
      7 Filed: 02/09/2012 Entered: 02/15/2012 – In Chambers Conference
      8 Filed & Entered: 03/12/2012 Terminated: 03/22/2012 – Motion for Extension of Time
      9 Filed: 03/22/2012 Entered: 03/23/2012 – Order on Motion for Extension of Time
      10 Filed: 03/28/2012 Entered: 03/29/2012 – Motion to Quash

  3. Bob says:

    HOW MANY TORRENT CASES THAT INVOLVE 1 DOWNLOAD ACTUALLY GO TO COURT IF YOU IGNORE THE LETTERS

  4. hokeymcdokey says:

    DTD:

    You’ve been very helpful. I read the motion to quash regarding my case and I noticed two things.

    1. The Doe signed his real name and gave his address.
    2. The Doe went into a long explanation of a similar trial in Illinois and spoke like a lawyer, but there was no lawyer’s name attached to it.

    Is this the way it is when you have a lawyer? The lawyer keeps his name off of the document? I would suspect not as the Doe should let his lawyer talk for him and keep his (The Doe’s) name out of it. This MTQ sounds like the Doe either knew a lawyer or someone who could speak lawyerese.

    Anyway the MTQ was illuminating for me anyway. I didn’t plan mine to be long like that (6 pages), I think perhaps short and to the point would be better. I think I need to read some more MTQ’s before I even start. :)

    One more question: How do you determine which Doe you are? There are over 900 Does on my case. Do you just count from the top? I suppose using your IP would help too.

    • Joe says:

      Sounds like that Motion was filed Pro Se ( by the Doe ). Do NOT put your name on anything, since that’s all the Troll is looking for so he can harass you. Consider paying an attorney to file the motion, since many judges seem to take them more seriously. I am just reiterating what you will find mentioned many times throughout this site. The attorney will file on your behalf as “doe # xx”, so your name remains protected. As far as Doe number, I think you are correct – it’s from IP.

  5. hokeymcdokey says:

    I contacted an attorney here and he says he can’t file an MTQ for me unless he is licensed to practice in Texas. Now I’m looking for any attorney who is licensed to practice in Texas. Help, Help!

  6. Raul says:

    Check the court docket to see if an attorney has appeared behalf of another Doe and contact him or go to the EFF website and locate their list of attorneys by state. Also check out fightcopyrighttrolls.com and look under the discussions tab, State , Texas. Good luck!

  7. Raul says:

    Further, I would bet that Robert Cashman out or Houston (google “torrent lawyer”) can kick some troll ass.

  8. anonymous says:

    Robert Cashman is in Houston

    http://torrentlawyer.wordpress.com/

  9. Figuring it out. says:

    Hi everyone. My father just received a letter today from his ISP that has this same civ action number. He doesn’t use the internet, and REALLY doesn’t understand what is going on. Mom used to use a wireless router but she passed away two years ago. I’m pulling the router out of there tomorrow. So, I’ve read the thing and it lists his ISP number as having downloaded a file in October of 2011. There is still a computer in the house but he doesn’t even know how to turn it on. I guess I need to file a motion to quash cuz he doesn’t need any headaches, people calling and confusing him, (he’s 74) or any worries. I’m still reading up on how to file a motion but should I also include information about him not being an internet user with it?

    Ps. The suit is in DC? by a lawyer in Chicago but filed in Texas and my Dad lives in California?
    Whats up with that?

    Thanks for this site. I’m amazed at the depth of information and the problem that these lawsuits make. Its like a crazy underground world these trolls have created.
    Thanks.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I will see what information I can pull on this. BTW, please send me an email with any details you do not want to post to the Blog. Don’t pull the WiFi router until you can get some information off it first. What you want to get is screenshots and any information showing who has been using your Dad’s WiFi device, as well as the general configuration of it. Mostly likely a neighbor used it to get free Internet. Also – tell your father to relax and don’t pay these Bozos a dime! I would collect as much information as possible and then contact your local news station and tell them you have a story they would love to run. Trolls don’t like publicity, especially stories that show their true nature – extorting money from an elderly man who doesn’t use the Internet.

      DTD :)

  10. Figuring it out. says:

    One other thing. Can you tell from looking at this case number, 4:11-cv-04501, how many people are listed in this as defendants? The paperwork sent to my Dad’s Isp list only five ip address. Is that because it is to one small internet company or are there more people just not listed in his Paperwork.
    Thanks a lot.

  11. Figuring it out. says:

    The router”s out. That was the first thing. I almost threw it in the yard. I thought about the news angle too, but that wouldn’t fly with Pops. He just couldn’t take that. Privacy is a big deal to him. He would never go on camera or even let me on his behalf.
    Does anyone know how much these trolls accept in settlement and if they take payments? I’m thinking of just paying it for him. I know its against the principal but he doesn’t need phone calls.
    For example. My older brother had some sort of collection guy calling for him a while ago. My brother owed some money for an old debt, i don’t know what. So this collection dude calls my dad and says that the sheriffs will be sent out for my brother if he doesn’t call them. Pops freaked out and thought the cops were going to come to the house or whatever. He got the wrong idea, and couldn’t tell that the collection guy was manipulating him. So, I don’t know. I could try filing the Motion to Quash, but other sites were saying that it doesn’t help. I could try settling but I don;’t have any money at the moment. The first thing Pops is gonna worry about is, “They’re gonna go after the house.” He has a small home in disrepair but it is paid for.
    This sucks.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      OK. If you still have the router, plug it back in, but don’t connect anything to it – just keep power to it. The limited logs it does maintain may still be there.

      Understand your situation with your Pops. The simplest and cheapest thing to do is ignore the Troll once he starts to call and send letters. Your Dad is not going to lose his house. Tell your Dad to not talk to anyone who calls claiming they will sue unless he pays settlement money. The Trolls will lie and create FUD to get you (or your Dad) to pay out. Don’t believe it. Myself and many others are still here (much to the annoyance of the Trolls) after telling these bozos to go pound sand – no trial, no settlement paid, case closed by the Troll, end of story!

      If you or your Dad cannot deal with giving the Troll the Richard Pryor Response, here is a better idea – Don’t file a MTQ and save some money up for a lawyer. When the first settlement letter arrives, take it to a few lawyers and tell them you want to retain their services. Not to file anything, just to act as a shield for your Pop. The lawyer can send a representation letter to the Troll. After that, the Troll cannot contact your Dad directly. Tell the lawyer you are not settling and will only need his service IF your Dad receives an official court summons or subpoena. It will not happen. John Steele, AKA: “Zero” (Prenda Law, as well as the others Troll) do not take people to trial. They recently had to admit this in a CA court; much to their embarrassment. Otherwise you only want them to act as a shield and tell the Trolls the following – (1) You Dad didn’t do this, (2) There is no evidence on the computer, (3) He will fight you in court, & (4) Have a nice day :)

      The Troll will continue to call your lawyer at various times, stating they are “moving forward” with a case. Keep telling your lawyer to tell the Troll the above statement and nothing else. They will eventually move on.

      DTD :)

      • Anonymous says:

        Do you think this might be a better strategy than trying to file a MTQ? A lot of Does don’t file a MTQ because it can be quite expensive, but perhaps if we could find a few lawyers out there who would be willing to represent Does as troll call screeners for a couple hundred bucks we could really make trouble for them. Imagine if the trolls started calling there victims and they all started saying: Sorry, I have nothing to say… here is my attorney, anything else you have to say you can say to them!

  12. Raul says:

    Thee are two Does voer at SJD’s site trying to organize something along these lines http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/discussions/discussions-by-state/texas/

  13. Figuring it out. says:

    HokeyMcDoky? what did you end up deciding to do, if you don’t mind my asking. I think our case is the same.

    • hokeymcdokey says:

      I contacted Robert Cashman in Houston; cost is 1500 up front but that screens you from ever having to talk to the trolls. I’m getting the money together this week. I did not talk to him but to an assistant of his. You set up a call from his office to discuss your case. I had them call my cell phone cause I always have it with me. I know the price is steep but hopefully that will be all I’ll pay.

      • Anonymous says:

        If all you want is an attorney shield to disregard letters and ignore phone calls from the troll, you might be able to get a better price if you shop around.

  14. Figuring it out. says:

    I heard back from a CA lawyer on the EFF list. $150 for the consult and $300/ per hour after. I don’t know which is better. Cashman is in TX, that could be a benefit. It’s gonna take me a while to get that money together.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Any attorney can be a sheild unless things heat up which will not occur. Just get a local guy who do it for a few hundred and screw the consult fee.

  16. hokeymcdokey says:

    My case number is 4:11-cv-04501, Pacer case 940815

    Just accessed my case via Pacer and there are several new docs (all are free if you use Recap). One (11.0) is a response from the troll to the MTQ (10.0) it quotes some procedure errors which to me (a layman) looks like bs, but the judge agreed and dismissed the MTQ (11.1). There is another MTQ filed April 16 by another Doe using their real name this is 12.0. Will see how this one fares. The 1st doe probably should have used a lawyer and this is probably why Cashman recommends not filing a MTQ. Your name and address will come out anyway if the case goes that far.

    Those following along with a Pacer account can look it up from the above info.

    This is also your case, ‘Figuring it out’.

  17. Figuring it out. says:

    Thanks Hokey, I appreciate your help. What a fricking nightmare!
    I can’t help but think about some lady out there who maybe has renters, or punk kids, or maybe has her wifi unsecured and gets hit with something like this. I was lucky enough to find you Anti-Troll heroes and get a (sort of) grip on the situation. But how many poor people out there are getting stuck with terrorizing phone calls, threats, intimidation, and can’t sleep at night because they are afraid of being out on the street. I wish I could go on TV with this one. Bring some cameras in and put a face on this.
    Okay, Downloading is wrong, but not thousands of dollars wrong. Pop each violator like speeding tickets with a greater fine each time, $80. $120. then $240, and so on.
    I have friends in Media… I know writers, guys in the tech biz, producers from G4 and the old Tech TV. I’m gonna try to throw some light on this when our troubles are over. Maybe write a paper on it too.

  18. hokeymcdokey says:

    One thing I didn’t mention about my phone call with Cashman’s office.

    The person I spoke with said that once you engage a lawyer, that lawyer tells the court that such and such John Doe is represented by counsel (probably identified by IP address). When the plaintiff gets the list of IP’s together with their name and address, they generally go after those NOT represented by counsel as they are the ‘low hanging fruit’. Also if they go after you it will be by mail and phone as they now have your address and phone.

    We have, for some time, had caller id and will refuse to answer any phone call from a caller that we do not know. So we are pretty safe there.

    Slightly off topic, but apparently some people have made recordings of what John Steele and others say on the phone when they are harrassing people. If you google ‘John Steele phone calls’ I’m sure you can hear them.

  19. Figuring it out. says:

    Wouldn’t it be fun to mail 900 letters to the judge asking for dismissal because the plaintiff is abusing the system to get discovery?

    • Raul says:

      Figuring it out and hokeymcdokey,
      Here are the steps I took preemptively to keep the Trolls out of my life and I do not know if they would work as my MTQ was successful (in a way). I went online to my ISP account and changed my telephone number to a cell phone that is active but not used (still under contract) and then I changed the email contact info as well. Next I called the ISP Legal Department number that came with the subpoena and told them to update my personal identifying information. Worth a try and if you do it report back as to whether it works or not in deflecting Troll calls and emails.

  20. Figuring it out. says:

    Hmm, I wonder if that would work for folks whose ISP is their phone co.

    • Raul says:

      Like I said, I have no idea as to whether it would work but when I received the mailing you received and then went online to find out who the plaintiff was as I had no idea what was going on (like you) the first idea I had was: The best defense is a strong and quick offense (not at all original, I know. Nonetheless it has worked and is working)

  21. djpattiecake says:

    Does anyone know how much they usually ask for in settlement if your ISP releases your information?

    I am a John Doe on 4:11-cv-04501 as well. I have absolutely no idea what to do. I have absolutely no money to hire a lawyer. I am freaking out. I live in Louisiana. Can anyone offer me any advice? Are there any lawyers that offer free help for these cases?? omg please help -_-

  22. djpattiecake says:

    anyone heard of free counsel in these suits?

    im a john doe on 4:11-cv-04501 as well and I have no idea what to do

  23. Stalfos says:

    Looks like I’m in the same boat hockeymcdokey and Figuring it out.

  24. Figuring it out. says:

    The EFF has a list of lawyers on their site. Check out this guy.
    http://www.williamlovin.com/about.html
    He’s pretty affordable.

  25. djpattiecake says:

    Apparantly if the case is in the southern district of Texas, we have to find a lawyer licensed In texas. Im going to call Rob Cashman

  26. Stalfos says:

    Trying to decide what I want to do or how to handle this. The attorney I emailed responded saying MTQs in these cases generally do no good.

  27. Figuring it out. says:

    Yeah, the MTQ seems to not be the route to go. If I had loads of cash, then maybe, but they usually fail. WM Lovin charges less than Cashman and has offices in TX, FL and Ca. He is a Silicon Valley guy who is not happy with what these plaintiffs are doing. Write him an e-mail and see what they can do. I was advised to keep a lot of detail out of my posts here otherwise I would try and lay more on ya. Just send him a message.

    Lets check in here now and then until this matter gets resolved.

  28. Stalfos says:

    I shot an email off to him, worse case scenario is I’m left right where I am already.

  29. Figuring it out. says:

    DJPattycake,
    From what I understand the settlements are like around three thousand dollars, maybe three and a half. But don’t freak out yet. A lot of people can’t afford that. It seems like these plaintiffs only want your contact information from the courts so that they can threaten to sue. they hope to scare the hell outta you and force a settlement. Proving these kinds of cases hasn’t really worked yet so they don’t want to go to court. some people here just let the phone ring and say that they aren’t able to settle. after a couple of years, the suit gets dropped. If you do do that then let your answering machine get their messages and post them to You Tube.

    I am new to this as well so if anyone else has something to add, or if I got something wrong, please chime in.

    • Raul says:

      Slight clarification so no one gets the wrong idea. Most copyright troll lawsuits are dismissed, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, in under a year after they are first filed.

  30. hokeymcdokey says:

    I’m all for saving money but Cashman seems to be a good guy. Luckily, I can afford it (had to sell some stock to cover the 1500.00). I would rather Cashman get it than the troll. What I’ve heard from various places if you not among the first few on the IP address list then the troll will probably not even get to you. Hiring a lawyer just makes it that much harder. I’m not sure, but I think since I’ve engaged a lawyer it is ILLEGAL for the plaintiff to even call you or mail you directly. He MUST go through your lawyer. We are covered on the phone as we only answer if we know who is calling. No kids or grandkids around the house will do so either. I’ve had the same phone number for 40 years and a clear message on it as to who lives here (last name only). So if the troll calls and leaves a message I’ll have a record of it. The mail is covered too as we also open stuff, but will not respond to it if it’s from the troll.

    Off topic.

    Speaking of the mail lately we’ve gotten some brown envelopes with return addresses in Washington DC, sort of made to look like Government mail, but turns out it’s for hearing aids or something. People really try to fool you. I wonder sometimes what these fools think. Do they think you will fall for a trick even if you did have hearing problems.

    I’ll keep checking the site and may comment from time to time to let you know I’m still active.
    Hokey

  31. hokeymcdokey says:

    Last I heard from Cashman is he got my check and will contact the plaintiffs lawyer. What exactly he’s doing I don’t know. You can set up an appointment with him and have him call you. Go to the website to do this. I haven’t gotten any more emails from him yet, but he just got my check Monday 4/30.

  32. hokeymcdokey says:

    Guess I really didn’t answer your question. Sort of both. My action was to get the lawyer, both as a shield and someone who would further my interests (getting dismissed from the suit).

  33. Sip. says:

    Does anyone have experience filing in NYSD. I see above that it may take time for my motion to appear on PACER, but how long? I mailed my motion Saturday, would almost a week later be too short of a time to be processed? I am only worried because of the fake return address, if the court did not receive my motion, and they time eclipses, how will I know?

    Does UPS or FEDEX require ID to obtain a tracking number? I’m considering re-mailing my motion on Monday if it does still not appear on PACER. Thoughts? Suggestions?

    • Doe says:

      The post office does not require and ID for a tracking number. They simply give you a receipt that has the number on it. Also, things can take a while to appear on PACER so I’d give it a little more time.

      • Raul says:

        I mailed mine on a Wednesday and it did not show up on PACER until the following Thursday.

  34. AngryDoe says:

    Hello all. Looks like you have another friend in the pool here. Just got my letter today. Good info being put out, I am freaking out right now, I can’t believe I’m having to deal with this.

  35. AngryDoe says:

    Oh, cv-04501 and mc-00150

  36. JD says:

    Hey AngyDoe. First try to calm down and take a deep breath. Then first try to educate yourself to know what is going around and what is the nature of these lawsuits. Although many cases posted here and at SJD’s blog may not cover your case or cases (is it two? and is it filed by two different parties or just one?) there are almost all the same. At the end I believe you have three options: 1) Fight 2) Settle 3) Ignore. Personally I don’t believe there is ONE correct answer, and it is up to you. However, it is very important of you to be educated so you can make the right decision. Just panicking will take you no where!

  37. AngryDoe says:

    Feeling good now. Consulted with a lawyer last night and got educated through the process by DTD and the lawyer. Now just trying to make up my mind if the lawyer’s fee is worth not having to answer the phone. Either way, this whole thing is now pretty comical to me. Seems like the only productive thing the trolls due is support the local law community! =)

  38. AngryDoe says:

    And by support I mean keep them in business, lol.

  39. AngryDoe says:

    Just checked Pacer, looks like Comcast filed on 5/2 and is fighting the order to present subscribers personal info. Good job guys!

  40. hokeymcdokey says:

    Well, well, good for Comcast. I found this video through the other blog (Fight Copyright Trolls) and it’s kind of good for us does.

    I hope this link works: http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2012/05/04/adult-filmmakers-get-legal-smackdown/

  41. DoeBoy says:

    Also in cv-04501 and mc-00150 and wondering if you were named as simply John Doe. That’s how mine came and I thought they were sending subpoenas with multiples such as John Doe 1-50.

  42. hokeymcdokey says:

    Doe Boy, there are all kinds. Mine came as John Doe, but when I looked on Pacer there were over 900 of us. ;)

  43. DoeBoy says:

    Thanks Hokey. I never heard of this BS before this week and have been in a panic all week. Glad I found some info.

    • AngryDoe says:

      I think that a reasonable person IS initially upset. However, one day of education in the topic reveals the true motives of these turds. Mine came as simply “John Doe” as well. With all the recent smackdowns they have been getting in Texas and NY, I would like to see the thought process behind these rulings carry into DC. Have to wait and see.

  44. I’ve been included in this case as well. (TEXAS/D.C.). Signing up for a PACER account has made me feel much better when it comes to wanting up-to-date info in this case.

    Anyway, it seems that COMCAST is really trying to put this to bed as I noticed in their “#16 – Appeal of Magistrate Judge Decision to District Court” document in PACER (for the D.C. portion).

    I’ve got this document, but I’m not sure how to post it. :-( any suggestions on how to post the *.PDF?

    - Remember……listen, read, research then relax.

  45. hokeymcdokey says:

    Those in 4:11-cv-04501 take note. Documents 13.0 13.1 and 14 are now available. 13.0 was a motion by the troll trying to have the judge deny 12, which was a MTQ by Bruce Mulholland, 13.1 is an order from the judge to Deny 12, so the troll won this one too. 14 is a MTQ from a John Doe who does not mention her name or address though she does mention she is a single mother, so probably should have been Jane Doe. Anyway lets see what happens to this MTQ, it may be too late as the date to release the dogs was 5/4 and it was filed on 5/4. Will see how this one fares.

    • Stalfos says:

      So reading McIntyre’s response to the second MTQ basically since we’re neither the Defendant nor our ISP we’re pretty much up the creek with out a paddle in regards to trying to have any impact on this case whatsoever.

  46. hokeymcdokey says:

    Correction above doc 14 was actually filed on 5/3 and modified on 5/4 (wonder what and who changed what). Anyway will see.

  47. Anything else happening?

  48. hokeymcdokey says:

    “I’ve got this document, but I’m not sure how to post it. :-( any suggestions on how to post the *.PDF?”

    If it’s on pacer give the pacer case and doc number or a link and anyone with a pacer signon can look at it if they want.

  49. This thread has been pretty dead lately.

  50. D.C. – Millennium vs. Comcast (for those who it appies to near D.C.) :
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    http://archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.dcd.153133

    Texas – Millennium vs. Does 1-9xx :
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    http://archive.org/details/gov.uscourts.txsd.940815

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