What is Your Story?

One new Doe made a great suggestion that some of us “seasoned” Does share our Copyright Troll experiences from start to current/finish.  This will help the newbies see how the situation unfolded for the rest of us.  I will make the first post and welcome all others to tell their story.  Be mindful not to give too much away and make it easy for the Troll to identify you.  For a majority of you that will not be an issue.  For others who have pissed off the Trolls by our actions (like myself), be safe.

My Story

In 2010, I received a package in the mail from my Internet Service Provider (ISP).  What is this?  Upon opening it, I found a bunch of papers, some appearing to be court documents, stating my public IP address downloaded/shared a copyright protected porn movie.  The owner of the porn movie was suing a bunch of the people who downloaded/shared the movie in Federal Court (located in another State).  I didn’t do this, but as I have others in the residence who use my Internet connection.  I go around and check the devices to see if the file in question can be found.  I questioned everyone in the residence, but everyone denied doing it.  I don’t find the file and as I know (as the registered public IP owner) I didn’t do anything wrong, I put it to the side.  I thought there is no evidence to support the allegation, so this will go nowhere.  Some serious family issues soon arose and I never went further with it.

Sometime later, I got another letter in the mail from a Copyright Troll.  This is when I started to get worried.  The letter stated in very clear terms that I was a defendant in a Copyright Infringement case (filed in another State) and I had downloaded/shared a porn movie via BitTorrent on a certain date/time.  The letter stated that “I” was responsible for this illegal activity and that the copyright owner was prepared to sue me for as much money as they could get ($150K + attorney fees).  I freaked!  The letter also explained that there was no excuse or defense to these allegations.  Bottom line – I was guilty (In their opinion) and if I chose to, they would be kind enough to accept $3K to make the threat of losing everything go away.

I started to search the Internet for any information on this case, and soon found the term “Copyright Trolls.”  After that the information started to follow.  I found the EFF and contacted one of the attorney on their Copyright Defense page.  This attorney explained to me that this was a legal scam to extract as much money from Doe defendants as possible.  He also explained the statute of limitation was three-years and since the case was filed in another State, the Troll would have to get someone authorized to practice law in my State to file a case against me.  He said I could get a local attorney to represent me and send the Troll a letter stating 1) I didn’t do it, 2) No evidence on my systems, 3) I will fight you in court if need be, 4) If by some odd chance you win, I will file bankruptcy.  If I didn’t want to pay an attorney to do this, I could ignore the Troll and it would likely pass.  As I didn’t have the money to spend on an attorney, I opted to ignore the Troll.

I again went around to all the systems in the house and verified that the movie was not on any of them.  I also checked on my Wireless Fire Wall/Router and determined that unknown systems/users had been connecting to it.  I took screenshots of the connected systems and then blocked them.  I keep these records and all the other paperwork on my case in a safe place, in case it is ever needed (Highly doubtful).

Soon after talking to the attorney, I had a voicemail from the Troll agent.  Same BS line as the initial letter, “My client is prepared to go forward…… If you want to settle and avoid an expensive trial…. Possible finding of $150K+ against you….. Please call me at …..”  I got a couple more voicemails and even another letter.  All during this time I’m learning more and more about this racket and what a bunch of sleazy bottom-feeders me and the multitude of Does were having to deal with.

The calls and letters stopped and I never heard from the Troll again.  Also during this time I found Fightcopyrighttrolls.com (Hi Jane!).  After getting better educated on this situation, I decided to start my own blog and try to help some of the Does.

I kept an eye on my case in PACER and soon found out that the Troll had dismissed it.  It stayed open for more than a year.  The troll claiming that “The ISPs are slow,” “negotiations were taking a long time,” etc.  I would come to find out this was the standard procedure for a Troll.  Milk a case for all that it is worth and then shut it down and move to another.  GREED!  Plain and simple.  Recent court filing also confirmed that one of the Trolls has not named/served a single Doe.  The other trolls are doing the same thing.

So I haven’t paid a Troll or defense attorney a dime and I’m still around!  The worse thing I have lost is some time I spend trying to get the word out.  The return I get in good Karma is worth it.  I’m still under threat, as the statute of limitation has yet to pass – but it will.  As I have pissed off the Trolls and some copyright owners, I don’t think it is a good idea to come out once the three-years has passed.  Not the most difficult thing for a Troll to find out a public IP address and add it to a list of “offenders.”  Proof or “Stopping Piracy,” has nothing to do with these legal actions.  Money drives it all.

15 June 2012 Update - Take a listen to this Doe talk about “his story.”  Thank you SJD for finding this.

8 Jan 2013 Update – Since my last update, some Trolls decided to name or name/serve a limited number of Does with a summons/complaint or a deposition subpoena.  These cases are usually the result of a previous mass-Doe case that the Troll uses to obtain ISP subscriber information on the Does.  The numbers are still very small overall, but you should be aware of this.  STILL, we have had ZERO cases judged on their merits in a trial.  This new tactic is designed to either get the named Doe to settle or test the water for a possible default judgement motion if the Doe does not respond at all.  If this happens, I’m of the opinion to hire an attorney knowledgeable on these cases.  The problem the Troll has with this tactic is what to do if a defendant answers a complaint with a denial or denial/counterclaims, the Troll/Plaintiff can’t easily drop the case.  The Troll doesn’t want to have the case judged on its merits – there is none.  The Troll then has to either wait for the court to dismiss it for some reason or settle with the defendant – paying off the Doe.  Even if a court dismisses such a case, the Troll knows the defendant is most likely going to motion the court for an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs.

18 June 2013 Update – At this point we have seen the start of the destruction of Prenda Law and the PA Bellwether trial took place.  I expect Lipscomb and Malibu Media will claim the trial validated all their claims and that are only attempting to stop pirates from taking their content for free.  The Bellwether trial was disappointing in that it failed to make Lipscomb/Malibu Media answer any hard questions about their operation.  It was a “show trial” agreed upon after all three defendants settled with Plaintiff.   The possible long-term effects of this trial are debatable, but Copyright Trolling in its various forms will continue.  Lipscomb/Malibu Media have tailored their efforts to minimize the risks, but if they play it long enough, they will crap out.

OK, enough of me.  What is your story?

1,172 Responses to What is Your Story?

  1. V.Z says:

    Hi, reading those comments, I find my situation a bit different. Back in December I received two DMCA notices, one of which was from CEG-TEK, offering a $250 settlement. I genuinely freaked out and paid with my own debit card right away. Interestingly the other one didn’t offer any settlements. Fast forward to end of March, I received four more notices from CEG-TEK via Charter for different downloads. The settlement amount increased substantially to around $6K in total. Now that I am more educated on the matter. I know that they aren’t probably gonna sue me. But the fact that I paid them concerns me because I suppose they already have my information. What is the chance of me being sued given the settlement amount and the information they have? By the way I came across the Six Strike System. That means IPs would release subscribers’ information to copyright holders for legal purposes upon receiving six complains. I have had six as you can see. What is your comment on this? Thank you.

    • Monkey Man says:

      I am facing an almost identical situation. I received 2 notices via charter (2 files downloaded) both offering to settle for $250 a piece (same orgainizations that you’re citing). Is the six strike system legit? I only have 2 complaints so far. If I ignored them completely would they have to proceed with a law suit to subpoena charter for my name and info? I’m not sure what to do. My gut tells me to ignore, but I am afraid of what may happen..

      • randall says:

        has anything happened since? I was under the impression Charter doesn’t have the six strike rule

      • Silver says:

        hey, just want to know that what happen to you case as I have received the same notice like you do saying 250$ settlement. please guide me

    • Monkey Man says:

      @ Randall – nothing yet. You’re right, I learned there’s no 6 strike system with Charter. If there was I probably wouldn’t have gotten the notice in the first place. After more digging, it appears Charter keeps backlogs of all their customers of activity for about a year. Again, none of this matters unless there’s an actual subpoena from the troll given to Charter to disclose your identity. If that happens, by law they have to notify you via mail. All the best advice for me is to ignore everything unless that happens.

      Also note, after talking to a few lawyers over the phone, the situation totally depends on who the troll is, and also who they represent (owner of the allegedly infringed content). Some are much more aggressive than others. In my case, I was told the troll that’s after me hasn’t sued anybody for over a year, and they pursue people for about 4 to 6 months, then most of the time, they move on. Not a guarantee, but I don’t believe it’s likely they would sue. I would however not be surprised at all if they send more notices.

      • Silver says:

        Hey Monkey Man, can you update what is your status as of now? I am in the same situation from charter like yours. Most of the people here are sharing the initial trouble but very few shares that what happened at the end of the story, I really appreciate if you can update me your current status with this condition.

      • Monkey Man says:

        @silver, no change from my last post. I never contacted them and they haven’t done anything further. I’m not out of the woods, but if more than 6 months of inactivity go by, I wouldn’t worry. If your situation is at all like mine, as DTD says, make sure there’s no more torrent activity on your network anymore, then ignore, ignore, ignore! You should be fine

  2. dooe says:

    Just wondering, I got a notice of voluntary dismissal without prejudice by a troll. Do they usually just end it at that or do they refill a case? It seems like recently the trolls has been getting problems reading from dtd and fightcopytrolls. Am I in the clear or should I still be ready for what can happen? How likely are they to keep pursuing?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      If possible, please send me a copy of what you got – dietrolldie@dietrolldie.com. I will look up the case and give you a better answer – hopefully. many of the trolls are too busy to actively go after everyone, so they tend to try and cut their losses and keep the more likely pay offs “on the hook.” Depending on the case, court/judge, or other factors, this could have been shut down by the Troll to avoid possible trouble. If this is the 1st dismissal “Without Prejudice,” the troll/Plaintiff could normally refile again up until the 3-year statute of limitation runs out.

      DTD :)

  3. J Doe says:

    Freaking out i was served a subpoena related to the killer joe case united states court western division of Iowa. It states I have 21 days to serve a motion on the court as well as the plaintiff and I have NO idea what to do.. HELP please! I have seen several attorneys even some copyright and ip related and no one will give me advice besides calling and trying to settle out of court.. Which I still dont even know what to do pr say.. Judgement by default will be entered against me if I dont respond in the next week with a motion or whatever.. I lived in a trailer park 2 years ago with unsecured internet.. Also my isp had my name misspelled under my account the whole time and its the same name on the subpoena. Please give me some guidance im almost out of time! I work 2 jobs just to get by my life is basically over if they take me for everything and I don’t believe im even guilty of anything. -J

  4. Mark says:

    Hello, I just reviewed a notice through charter that I am being sued if I don’t pay $300 as a settlement. I have one computer in the house and am a stay at home parent. I am freaked out and have been researching this matter. What I’m finding is these people are just out for money. Will I be used should I pay the money?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      As this is likely only a DMCA notice via the ISP, there is no case and there is a high probability (99.99999999999999) that there will not be one. I have to leave a slight chance open to be realistic. Was it from CEG-TEK? If so, they are a sad sad joke. Standard advice applied: Make sure the activity stops on your network, resecure the network (redo password), and move on with your life. Learn from this – It could be worse – a real case from real Trolls.

      DTD :)

    • Silver says:

      @Mark: hey what is the status of your case? is anything happened? please share your real experience to help me and others who are in the same situation. Thank you very much, hope for the best

  5. Anonymoose says:

    I got a letter/email from that Borghese guy (lawyer for TaylorMadeClips) demanding $2,500 for a settlement, exactly like in the blog post DTD made back in August. So far, I just denied all of his claims and refused to give him anything. I later made an RFCExpress account, paid the $5 for advanced search, and looked into what this lawyer has in terms of actual experience. So, it turns out that this lawyer hasn’t had a case since September 2012, and has never been legal council for any copyright cases in many years. Also, TaylorMadeClips has never been the plaintiff in any case ever. Is it safe to say that this guy is just a total bullshit artist?

  6. TheDoestDoeShmoDoe says:

    How can I tell if a summons is actually legitimate? Would it be signed by the judge? Any information regarding this would be excellent. Thanks Does.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Probably the best way is to call the clerk of the court by looking up their telephone number. The clerk should be able to tell you if it is valid and the response times for it.

      DTD :)

  7. josh says:

    So i got an email from charter about copyright infringement about 2 videos (different email for each) and it is a 250$ instant copyright settlements thing and i am wondering how legit this is and what i should do?

  8. Monkey Man says:

    DTD, you mentioned that you received a letter in 2010, and it’s now 2014/ more than 3 years. So nothing happened? I’m trying to access risk, because I just received a DCMA letter through email and I can’t decide whether or not to ignore it before their short deadline? Doesn’t sound like there’s a whole lot of 3+ year old cases out there.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      No, there are no 3+ year “Real” Federal Copyright cases still open. For the real cases, very few are allowed to be kept open for more than a year unless the case is actually proceeding. Most Trolls just delay and string along the courts claiming that settlement negotiations are slow and the ISPs are even slower.

      If you just have a DMCA take-down notice from CEG (or other Clowns), I would not respond to them. Standard advice applies – Make sure the activity stops, resecure your Internet connection, move on with your life.

      If this is a real case and your information is being subpoenaed, then your options will vary depending on the Plaintiff, Troll Attorney, and the jurisdiction.

      DTD :)

      • IDIOT DOE says:

        Hi, i am a person who got a DMCA letter who logged on immediately to find out that I have been linked to 11 other cases amounting up to 3000 dollars in settlement amount though Ira s., the CEG TEK representing John Stagliano, inc,
        then I CALLED CEG to see if they can reduce it, telling them not much, they did not really even ask my name, and some guy on the phone tells me he would think about it, and call the upstairs (he was really casual-like)

        than he calls me back with his personal cell-phone to tell me he got it down to 1000
        i says okay.

        now this happened about a month ago, I DID NOT PAY THEM

        but no phone call no mail no Email, no nothing.

        what is going on? are they suiting up? should i call them back to try to settle?

      • DieTrollDie says:

        They do not sue people. Period. Make sure the activity on your network stops and don’t talk to them.

        DTD :)

  9. Don says:

    Good site!

    Weeks ago I’ve received one of these DCMA fordwarded by the ISP, actually, internet was blocked until I’ve agreed to be the owner of the account and years > 18 (it was a web page), obviously I was in panic reading the 15 DCMA notices. Some of these notices the settle date was weeks ago, ISP fordward these notices too late.

    Obviously I will not settle with these guys after reading a lot, and also I’ve noticed that some of these notices claim for copyright that at the time that the ABCDE supposed were downloaded, there still no copyright yet for some of them, also, some of them were duplicated.

    Since I’m from China, very complex name and lastname (2), ISP has my wrong name (du no why) and I’ve to stay a few months in the US, I’m not worried due if I get a lawsuit, it will be too expensive for them, since I’ve nothing and a limited time in the US to stay.

    Leason learned guys, don’t download anything in an illegal way.

  10. BOOHAHAH says:

    Hi, I just got a same email from charter about ceg tell for infringing and a settlement of $250. Can you please help me what todo. I’m an international student here.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Standard CEG advice as follows: 1) Ignore the email; 2) Ensure the activity is not happening on your network/IP address; 3) Change access passwords you use; 4) move on with your life and chalk it up to a learning experience (it could have been worse).

      DTD :)

    • Silver says:

      any further updates? as you made the call to them are they giving you more trouble?

  11. ypg0297 says:

    Hi, I recently become another copyright troll victim. I received a mail from Comcast suggesting that I illegally downloaded a file from some porn company. If I did not file a motion in 30 days then Comcast will release my personal information to the plaintiff. The reality is I have never done that. None of the files listed in exhibit I have ever downloaded to my computer. Moreover, by the time they detect my IP I was not even in the United States! So I am really piss of and find this wonderful website. I would like to get some suggestion from you guys:
    1. Should I file a motion or quash to the District court? If yes should I write it by myself or hire a lawyer?
    2. My case is a little bit different that I am the only John Doe in the complaint. In the document the judge also said he is aware of this kind of copyright troll case and he understand the lawyer is trying to scare people to pay the settlement. However, the judge eventually agree the complaint from the plaintiff to ask for my information from Comcast. The judge also said very strictly that the plaintiff should not do any settlement negotiation with the defendant once they get the information, but I doubted that these copyright troll will follow the judge’s order.
    3. I might move to another state in the future; in this case should I worry about this potential trial? Can I just neglect it and hopefully the plaintiff will dismiss the case in the end?
    4. In case anyone is interested, I can share the court document and the original complaint with you.

    Really need you guys help since I am not a law major and never deal with such a thing like this.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I would try to get a free consult from a couple attorneys that have worked these cases (especially against Malibu media). As far as filing a motion, majority of the motions to dismiss/quash for single Doe cases have not worked. The courts generally accept that their recording of the public IP address will get them the subpoena for the ISP subscriber data – your information.

      Even if you were not in the country at the date/time they recorded, Troll/Plaintiff will tell the court that BitTorrent doesn’t require your presence to run. The BT software could have been running prior to your departure. Also, they know that there is possibly other people (family, friends, guests, etc.) at the residence and they could have used your computers. I suggest checking your systems to ensure the movie(s) and/or BT software is not on them.

      If you didn’t do it and there is no evidence of BT software, torrent files, Plaintiff’s movies, etc., on your systems, I would suggest writing the Troll and telling them that. Was your system open to outside users? Neighbors/unauthorized people used it?

      As far as moving to another State, that could help you as the Plaintiff will need to file the case in the proper jurisdiction. I would make sure to inform the Troll of your new address after you have moved. Otherwise they could try to serve you at the old address and claim they left it on your doorstep or with somebody else. This way they will not be able to do this and it shows you are not running away.

      DTD :

      • ypg0297 says:

        Thanks for your response. I will contact an attorney for consultation. From your suggestion, I thought we should not directly contact the Trolls/Plaintiffs, shouldn’t I?
        Does that mean in my case, I can no longer do nothing and spend nothing and wait the troll to dismiss the lawsuit automatically? It seems like I have to spend a lot of money anyway and the only difference is either pay the settlement to the Trolls or pay the service fee to hire a lawyer fighting with the Troll in a litigation.

    • Doe says:

      How long after you downloaded the movie you got the letter from ISP?

    • Doe says:

      Hey this happening to me same thing but with a different movie can u tell
      Me what happen ?

    • Silver says:

      Hey what you have done finally? and who was your troll?

  12. JDOE27 says:

    So I got a Copyright Settlement Notice from my university saying an agent for a copyright holder saying I infringed upon those copyrights. They said as of now they haven’t revealed my identity and won’t unless served with proper legal papers. They forwarded me the notice and it is form CED TEK International. They requested that I immediately request cease and desist from using it which I did, I immediately deleted it and even bit torrent which caused the problem. It says I may be held liable for monetary damages, etc and offers me the option to settle by may 30th then says
    “If you fail to respond or settle within the prescribed time period, the above matter may be referred to attorneys representing the Work’s owner for legal action. At that point the original settlement offer will no longer be an option, and the settlement amount will increase significantly.”

    Please help I’m kinda freaking out. I’m thinking I’ll ignore it but not sure what to do. PLEASE HELP

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Read the CEG-TEK page. Then 1) Ignore the email notice; 2) Make sure the activity stops on your network; 3) Move on with your life. CEG-TEK or the Plaintiffs that employ them do not file real cases – just threaten to do so.

      DTD :)

    • stoopidtrolls3 says:

      JDOE27, the same thing just happened to me. Except now not only am I facing the implications of having to pay the settlement, I am facing a judicial hearing with my university for violating the terms of internet use (i.e. illegally downloading material using their web server). This is obviously something I did NOT do, however I made the mistake of contacting them because I panicked and overreacted. I’m not sure where to go from this point. What did you choose to do? Also, does anyone know if the likelihood of them following through with a suit increases if you do contact them? I did not give them any personal info except for my cell phone number which I have tried to trace and found that the cell number can not be traced back to my address or anything. Any answers are welcome. Thanks!

      • Silver says:

        @Stoopidtrolls3: hey what is the progress in your case? please share your experience to help others. Thank you very much.

    • Silver says:

      hey I got the same type of notice so what you did as May30 is already gone, I have dead line till 6 july 2014. please respond

      • JDOE27 says:

        follow up- waited it out, and haven’t heard anything since so im hoping im in the clear

  13. Doe says:

    I have a status hearing, pro se vs MM. they serverd me, I answered (I didn’t do it) now I have status hearing, what do I do.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Sorry for the delay. Well, usually there is a date/time/place for the hearing. I assume you were mailed a notice of the hearing? Your should contact the clerk of the court and see what is required of you. As you have answered with a denial, the court will likely ask the Troll and you what is the next steps in resolving this. The next possible step for the Troll is going to be a deposition of you. Have you spoken to the troll yet? You will likely have to if the court has directed a joint scheduling plan be submitted to the court. From any deposition they will try to find out who else used the network, was it password protected, other family members, do you (or have you) use BT, watch any porn, ever Download/share ANY copyright protected movies/music/ software, etc.

      DTD :)

    • Silver says:

      hey how’s the things going for you now? are you out of this shit or not yet?

  14. randall says:

    Is it still “same rules apply”? I don’t know if things have changed a bit since the post.

    I received one of their ISP forward e-mails asking for a settlement to avoid possible lawsuit. I don’t know the titles, but I’m still nervous about it since our router was open for a while there. I put in a password and made sure no one is downloading torrents. Through googling several sites, I accidentally hit their homepage. Am I at risk now? I haven’t contacted them or my ISP. I didn’t click anything in the e-mail. I don’t know what the settlement amount is, but from what I’m seeing, it’s not a good idea to even check.

    • randall says:

      And I have charter.. so i don’t know how that affects things since they are apparently not included with the six strike rule ISPs

  15. Johndoe says:

    My message:

    I received a copyright infringement notice from my university. They forwarded me the notice and it’s from CEG TEK international
    They requested that “…immediately and permanently cease and desist from unauthorized copying and/or distribution of the Work.”
    I uninstalled BitTorrent and deleted the file.

    They told me in the email that I “have until Friday, June XX 2014 to access the settlement offer and settle online.” They told me that I would be liable for monetary damages, court costs, attorney fees, etc. and “if a lawsuit is commenced against you for unauthorized copying and/or distribution” they also go on to say if I don’t respond within the prescribed time period that “the matter may be referred to attorneys representing the Work’s owner for legal action” and how then the settlement option won’t be available and the amount will increase substantially

    I did my research and found this site. Should I be worried?

    Any help or information is appreciated!

    THANK YOU

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Same CEG-TEK notice that everyone else gets (or will get). Same (standard) advice applies. 1) Ignore the email and do not contact them by phone or visist their Web site. 2) Ensure any illegal file sharing stops on your network. 3) Resecure your Internet connection – make sure it is encrypted and use a new password. 4) Move on with your life. Use this as a learning experience – it could have been a real Troll.

      DTD :)

      • Jenny says:

        I got the CEG-TEK notice and I panicked when I saw it and visited their website, will anything happen from this? D: and what are the chances that I will actually be sued?

    • Silver says:

      @Jenny: hey what happened in your case? any updates?

  16. Doe says:

    I received a letter from Comcast about downloading Dallas Buyers Club. The attorney is in my state. How can I find out if it’s a troll. I have read on the net that the Dallas have been very aggressive about going after people and the stuff I read on attorney web pages, talking about penalties in the 150 K range are very intimidating to me. I am old and semi retired, and I’m not used to legal proceedings. I’d be inclined to settle just to get rid of this things, but I’m afraid they are going to want real money. Still under the shock (got the paperwork a few hours ago only).

  17. Jon Doe says:

    I decided to post an update for everyone that is continually posting on this website seeking information. Approximately seven months ago I was notified of a copyright infringement from my ISP and the troll alleging such infringement was the group CEG-TEK. I admit to overreacting to the matter, but I never contacted CEG-TEK nor did I take any further action. I received A LOT of copyright infringements for the same file, all of which I never downloaded knowingly (I won’t say the exact number since these scumbags read this website I’m sure). Since then, my internet has remained faithful as always, I have not received anything through the mail or by any other means, and my life has gone on the same as it once did. Keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight. Thanks to dietrolldie for his sometimes thankless work. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

    • Silver says:

      hey I received two notice from CEG-TEK today, so based on your experience I am guessing that I should not be panic, please help

      • Jon Doe says:

        You would be correct. Just as DTD has said, ensure your connection is secure and move on with your life. Do not contact them in any capacity and use this as a learning experience :) I freaked out too initially but all is well!

      • Silver says:

        @Jon Doe: Thank you very much for boosting my confidence. Ya I secured my WiFi now, I don’t know who did download it or its a mistake from their side of my ISP but anyways I am not going to contact them, having my finger crosses and hoping for the best.

  18. Andrew says:

    So a lot of you mention things similar, but not the same as to what i have. It seems that there are emails that are sent out from CEG TEK and letters that say cease andd desist. I received a letter from my ISP which contained CEG TEKs settlement information. It appeared that my name was on the letter head (this was supplied due to the way my ISP printed their faxed/emailed notice from CEG), therefore, assuming they already knew my identity, I proceeded to call the phone number to inquire. Upon realizing they had no idea who I was, i only provided them with a first name and phone number (I probably should have used a fake number). I had also logged into the website and saw the settlement amount before calling. Never filled out any infomation other than case number and p/w.

    Think I’ve left enough breadcrumbs behind for them to follow? Has anybody received this type of notice? Has anyone f*cked up and called them without realizing right away what it was?

    • Silver says:

      Hey Andrew, So what happened next?

      • John says:

        Silver, you’ve posted a million replies when you’ve already been told by DTD and myself that everything will be okay. The same things still apply regardless if you contacted them or not. Ignore what they send you, secure your connection and ensure any illegal activity stops, even if they have your number simply ignore any calls/letters/settlement offers, and be happy that you aren’t dealing with a different company such as Malibu Media. I understand you’re worried about all of this but use the resources you have and don’t continually post time and time again. I hope that this clears it up for you.

    • Silver says:

      @John: Sorry for my all postings but thing is a very few people told the end of the story, so I just want to make sure that who ever is ignored the letter never got into the trouble, as I have never downloaded anything ,I am much worried that why its me. Thanks for your support.

      • ADoe says:

        I agree. We never hear the end of the story on these. I have a recent notice from CEG-TEK and still don’t know if I should just settle. I am not going to starve (based on the last time it happened anyway) if I do but the money would be better spent elsewhere, rather than giving it to copyright trolls.

      • DieTrollDie says:

        True. Most people that get these notices and comment eventually move on with their lives – either they paid and made it go away OR they ignored it and nothing came from it except more emails threats. I can say I have never had a comment or email from any Doe saying they were sued because they ignored the CEG-TEK/Rightscorp notices. It doesn’t get any clearing when on the Rightscorp Web site they say that they DO NOT SUE. See my recent article on them. Search RFC Express for your Plaintiff (Copyright Holder) and CEG-TEK. THERE ARE NO NEW CASES OPENED. The only thing you find on a few Plaintiff’s is cases from a couple years ago. They were mass Does cases and these Plaintiff have stopped doing this. Ira Siegel (Attroney for CEG-TEK) used to file real copyright infringement cases, but stopped after he was sanction by a court for misconduct. If you are looking for the 100% answer to ensure you are safe – it will not happen. The Trolls know this and will use FUD to make you second guess the facts and give up your money.

        DTD :)

      • John says:

        Silver:

        I completely understand as I was very very scared when I first got a notification from CEGTEK. Look at one of my more recent posts where I explain that we’re almost at a year since I got my notification(s) from them and nothing has happened. I have not settled, I have not gone to their website or called them. As DTD said, there aren’t any 100% situations where nothing will happen. The best thing you can do is stay active on this site, stop worrying, help others who come here seeking help and move on with your life. Also, like I have done, keep updating everyone on your situation so that it can help others judge what to do and not to do for their specific situation. I promise everyone that if something changes with my situation I will update everyone ASAP. Below I will post my recent post here to help others, please direct them to that post if it helps you and anyone else.

        I decided to post an update for everyone that is continually posting on this website seeking information. Around 8 months ago I was notified of a copyright infringement from my ISP and the troll alleging such infringement was the group CEG-TEK. I admit to overreacting to the matter, but I never contacted CEG-TEK nor did I take any further action. I received A LOT of copyright infringements for the same file, all of which I never downloaded knowingly (I won’t say the exact number since these scumbags read this website I’m sure). Since then, my internet has remained faithful as always, I have not received anything through the mail or by any other means, and my life has gone on the same as it once did. Keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight. Thanks to dietrolldie for his sometimes thankless work. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

      • ADoe says:

        Thank you John & DTD for your reassurance.

  19. Probably Screwed says:

    After not checking my mail for a few days I found a letter from Charter on Saturday telling me they received a subpoena regarding Dallas Buyers Club and that I have until x date to object to my info being turned over. The lawyer is one state away but filed through the correct court in my state. I talked to lawyer from a firm in the same state as the attorney who filed on behalf of the film, because they were the closest firm recommended by the EFF, and the way it sounds is my best bet would be settling before the shit gets thicker.

    I could wait, hope it dies, and not pay anything, but the way it sounds is that a number of the does would settle, and the plaintiff would then go after a percentage of the remaining does who hadn’t settled. At which point, I could get lucky and be one of the ones who were dropped/forgotten, or I could be one of the people they go after and spend way more on both lawyer and settlement fees. A shitty game of chicken.

    They said I could attempt to quash ($1700) based on the language/specifics of the complaint, but there’s a possibility that the defendant could just rewrite it and come back at me specifically with a new corrected complaint. In which case it would cost me more than just settling right away on top of $1700 down the drain.

    I told them I’d think about what I wanted to do and get back to them, but at this point I feel like paying around $3-4k (hopefully no more) to be done would be in my best interest financially and mentally, since spending the next however many months with the thought of my future being potentially raped will drive me nuts.

    I was going to buy a motorcycle this summer.

    • Silver says:

      hey so did you pay the money or you are one of those lucky who has been dropped with god’s grace!!!!! :)

  20. Doe says:

    Hello – so glad I found this site. Yesterday (on Memorial Day!!) I received a subpoena from a Troll advising me that I needed to be in court for a deposition as my ISP address was named in the subpoena. I’ve spent all day at work researching this and Malibu Media. Long story short, I wanted to know what I need to do next. I’m not paying them a dime as I did nothing wrong. Like all above, I’m just trying to find out what my options are as this issue is causing me a fair amount of stress.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      OK. Was the package you received from your ISP? This sounds like the standard early discovery for your subscriber information. If you want to, please email me a copy and I will tell you what I think – dietrolldie@dietrolldie.com Did you have any idea about this before you got the notice?

      DTD :)

      • Doe says:

        Thanks for the response and I’ll forward you the documents I received today. I received an actual subpoena that I need to attend a deposition which I’m sure is, like you mention, a first step for my subscriber information. Had no idea this was coming and was a shock. They sent subpoenas to 6 of my neighbors as well. Thanks again. For the response…..

      • DieTrollDie says:

        So did you already know there was a case opened and was there any contact from the Troll. It will be interest to see the paperwork. I think we may have a little confusion here and hopefully I can clear it up. If this is a deposition, they already have your name, as well as your neighbors (not too difficult to obtain). The Troll will interview you (and possibly other family members OR residents in the house) to try and find any/all evidence of BT usage, illegal file sharing, Plaintiff’s content, Internet /network set-up (Open OR Closed), guests on the network, malware infection, etc, etc. The only reasons a troll would depose neighbors is to point out that the they all stated it wasn’t them – thus ‘you’ did it. Also maybe to see if you or family members ever talked about downloading/sharing movie or music via the Internet, etc. Depending on your situation, you may want to discuss this with a knowledgeable attorney.

        DTD :)

    • Doe says:

      Thanks again! I just sent you everything I received. Hoping to see some good news come out of this.

      • Silver says:

        hey what is the update at your end in this case? any information will help to boost my confidence. Thank you very much for your valuable time to post your experience here.

  21. A says:

    I just received a settlement agreement from hughes, socol, piers, resnick, dym via michael hierl for a settlement of $3,500, $4,500 after june 5th. If I didn’t pay they could take me to court for upwards of $150,000+. Attatched is a complaint for copyright infringement. It also says the letter is not admissable under FRE 408 if that makes a difference. We absolutely cannot afford this. Any advice? What are the chances of this going away on it’s own? It say’s the complaint has been open since feb. 26th.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Please scan and email the settlement letter, case number, and court- to dietrolldie@dietrolldie.com.

      • Doe says:

        I received a notice from my internet provider from Froytal Services Limited saying I copied a movie called the Gardners Touch. Wha do I do? The website they want me to go to is CEG Tek and pay $250. This was in 2013. I never knew I had this claim until I had another claim against me for Lego Movie. Help, what do I do?

  22. Doe1 says:

    Hi i one of those notices from my isp and Ceg Tek asking me to settle asking for a total of $250

    i mad the mistake of emailing them.. I emailed them from a new email i created with no real name.. However i did give them my Login and settlement number..

    this was their second reponce after emailing them 3-4 times

    “This matter will continue to escalate until it has been settled or litigated. If you would like to speak to someone further about this matter please provide a telephone number and we will have someone reach out to you directly. Thank you”

    What do i do thanks

  23. CollegeDoe says:

    Hello,
    I received a notice from my university stating that my IP address had violated the honor code as I had illegally downloaded a video from the web. They attached the service which is from “CEG TEK International” stating that I had illegally downloaded a Digital Playground movie from BitTorrent and was able to settle with them and if I chose not to then they would sue me.
    A few things popped out to me on my notice. The biggest of those is that they did not send me a password to access the settlement. The first thing I thought to do when I saw this was to write back to them and ask for the password. However after reading your website I’m glad I didn’t do that as this seems like a big no-no for Doe’s to do. What does them not giving me a password mean? Is that normal or does it just prove my theory that this is simply a warning to stop and nothing will come out of this? Furthermore, they did not provide me with the “Settlement Direct Link” or “Settlement Website”, they only put “Redacted” in those spots. I am unable to find out what the settlement amount is since I don’t have the password.
    I know that this is all one big thought jumbled together but any help would be greatly appreciated! I’m just looking for some answers to those questions as well as any guidance or advice and tips that you might have for me. Thank you so much in advance
    Sincerely,
    Scared and Confused Doe

  24. Joe says:

    On June 5th 2014 I was sent an email from charter saying I was in violation of copy right infringement for some brazzers video and was being sued for 6000$ by CEG-TEK I immediately cleared my computer and disconnected the modem they say I have until June 24th to settle what should I do

  25. DKil says:

    Received a letter from my Internet provider of “copyright infringement” associated with my IP, along with the notices from CEG-TEK, stating “settle by June 11th or else a lawsuit may be filed.” The Internet provider was of no help, so I went looking and found this site. (Thank you!)

    We still have two kids at home… the youngest being 17 and their friends come over all the time using our wireless network. I’ve asked them ALL about this, but none have claimed responsibility. I’ve looked on our own personal devices and can’t find the three ‘porn’ files the notices refers too. We’ve since changed our password (and do not give it out anymore), we’ve also setup security features that prevent access to certain websites (specific and those with certain words in them). I understand that as owner of the IP address I’m responsible for all actions, but I don’t want to get suckered into paying this when I didn’t do it. Help!

  26. JDOE says:

    DTD, I appreciate all you do to help us Does out. One question I still have after reading this whole “What’s Your Story” page is if I caused myself any harm by clicking the link to their website on my CEG-TEC notice from Charter, and inputting the case# and password they gave me? I did nothing further and I didn’t give any information other than the case# and password they provided. After seeing that they wanted a settlement of several hundred dollars and closed the window and started goggling.

    Thanks in advance, you provide a great service for a lot of scared people.

  27. CollegeDoe says:

    Please Help!!

    In my letter from Ira Siegel it did not give me a password for my settlement. does this mean anything? I am thinking that this means that there is no way I would be sued it is just a warning..but what do I know.

    Please help,

    Thank you

  28. Doe says:

    Ok, I might have found these sites too late. I have a couple notices from charter with a CEG TEK International message. I guess a “guest” might have done it when they came to visit. They want to “settle” for approx.$1K. I debated for a few days but I think I did a bad thing now. I called and talked to one of them. told them I had no idea who might have done it. but i suspected the guest might have done it. also said I have reformatted the cpu they accessed and there is no longer any bittorrent on that cpu. I told them the amount was crazy for a mistake by another person. They have my name/phone and hotmail email account now. Do they have too much of my Info to just ignore at this point? I’m an idiot that didn’t read the part where charter hadn’t given them anything on me yet.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      OK. I edited the comment to hide some details. I would still not worry to much. These idiots do not want to have to file a case and go through the motions. They just want your $$$. Do not respond to any calls or emails and make sure no more BT activity occurs on the network. I have heard from people in similar situations – made the mistake of talking to them. I have NOT heard of CEG-TEK (or the Plaintiff they represent opening ANY cases based on a situation like yours. Learn from it and move on.

      DTD :)

  29. Doe says:

    Ok thanks alot!

  30. Monkey Man says:

    It’s been 3 months and nothing yet. I’ve been expecting more notices, but nothing so far. If you have the same notice from CEG-TEK with a pre settlement amount of $250 per infringement, ignore. If more happens, come back here. You should be fine though.

  31. Dupoint says:

    I received one DMCA copyright infringement notice from CEG-TEK 2 weeks ago,forwarded to me by the IT department at my college. I called the lawyer at student legal services, and he suggested me to pay the settlement fine. Should I pay or should I ignore? My biggest concern here is that since I downloaded the file under university network, which I’ll be continue using in the future, will it make them easier to track me down if I don’t pay? Theres no serious penality from school since it’s my first offense,but what if they keep sending me notices if i don’t pay?

    Thanks a lot!

    • DieTrollDie says:

      There is NO history of CEG-TEK or the clients they represent taking anyone to trial. There is NO Federal Copyright infringement cases opened from these clowns. PERIOD. Please do not feed these idiots. Stop the BT activity on your network and move on. “but what if they keep sending me notices if i don’t pay?” – Nothing but you having to delete the emails.

      DTD :)

  32. AnonDoe says:

    I got another CEG-TEK notice via my ISP. I got one last year and settled through a lawyer after I clicked the link in their email. AFAIK they never got my real contact info. This time I haven’t clicked anything. Should I settle through a lawyer again? Or just ignore it and never torrent again like I should have last time? :D

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Ignore, BUT also make sure the activity stops. period.

      DYD :)

      • AnonDoe says:

        Thank you. I looked around and I can’t find any lawsuits filed by the company mentioned by CEG-TEK in the notice from Charter. The paranoid part of me keeps saying “there’s a first time for everything!” and makes me want to settle again. Howeve much it would cost (haven’t been and will not go to their site and the amount is not in the email) to settle now via a lawyer again before their “deadline” or w/e would be worth avoiding the frustration down the road, but I don’t want to give these *brigands* any incentive!

  33. joe says:

    I got scared contacted them and ask them to lower the settlement , they have my cell number abd name , should I still pay?

  34. Silver says:

    @DTD: If we don’t find the registration (Copy right) information on this link http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First , then where else we can check? I found the information for 1 file but not for other 2 file in separate e-mail from ISP

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Sometimes finding the registration is hard because the have changed the title or possibly that it was NEVER registered with the US Copyright office. That of course would never stop a Troll from threatening you with statutory damages when it wasn’t possible. If you can find the copyright owner/Plaintiff in the database, look through all the title they own.

      DTD :)

      • Silver says:

        @DTD: Thanks for the help, you are really a moral support for all of us. If we ignore the DMCA notice from the Troll’s then how we will know if they have filed the case against us or not? Will they send us a letter or an e-mail before doing it? or we will have to check on rfcexpress? how we can check on rfcexpress if there is a case against us?

      • DieTrollDie says:

        IF a real case is opened, it will be against the IP address they recorded OR your True Name (If you gave it to them). If it is true name (VERY unlikely), you would need to be served with a summons/complaint by the Troll OR they could send you a Waiver of Service of Summons form.

        If it is by the IP address, the ISP would get the subpoena – assuming the court grants early discovery. Then the ISP would send you a letter stating your IP address is part of a Federal copyright infringement case and you have approx. 30 days to file a motion or they will release the information to the Troll.

        BUT as these guys don’t do this, this is just academic in my opinion. You could keep an eye out for the Plaintiff in RFC Express – do they start to open cases? If you don’t see the Plaintiff, then it is unlikely they are going to start filing cases – especially if they part of CEG-TEK OR Rightscorp.

        DTD :)

  35. PurpleCat says:

    Hey,
    So recently I got 2 Notice of Copyright Infringement‏ from my IPS (charter) from CEG TEK. After reading all the comments and learning more about CEG TEK International I will just ignore their email. However, before I found this site I went to their website (copyrightsettlements) and used their case number and pass code. I hope that does not increase the likelihood of a lawsuit.
    I took another step and emailed some attorneys (listed on this website) and waiting for their reply. I also contacted my school law clinic and they told me to either pay if i want some safe of mind or to take a risk and wait.
    So I will wait it out until the deadline, July 19, 2014. Still scared.

  36. SCDoe says:

    This is a great site! Do you have any advice for someone who is being targeted by RightsCorp? It has happened to me twice now, the first time was a year ago and I got scared and paid the $20 right away that they offered as a settlement. Then this spring, they sent me another notification, which I ignored at first. But then my ISP started sending me emails, so again, I paid the $20. Now they’ve sent me another notice, and I know I haven’t done anything wrong, but I’m still afraid to refuse to pay and risk a lawsuit or having my Internet cut off.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      If you are continuing to get these notices, I suggest you need to make sure the BT activity on your network stops. Otherwise the notices are likely to continue. You could also end up being part of a real copyright infringement case – but not from RightsCorp.

      DTD :)

  37. LD says:

    So I made a big mistake and paid the $250 settlement from CEG TEK before doing any research on this matter (I fell for it, basically). I have yet to receive anything else from them, but would I just be able to ignore any further notices I might get, as if I didn’t pay the first one to begin with? I know they have my info, but since they have no history of suing, can I just ignore them? Or did I really screw myself over and now I’ll have to pay the price for not being cautious?

    • John says:

      LD-

      Yes, you made a mistake by paying them, but chalk it up to a lesson learned. As DTD has said, the company is a joke. Do not pay them anything further and ignore everything they throw at you. Ensure your internet connection is secure, stop all illegal activity occurring on the network and move on with your life. I can imagine they will send you more notices as you’ve already done, but do not pay them, contact them, and be happy you only paid them $250.

  38. John Doh says:

    I received a DMCA from Charter recently. There were 5 other case numbers associated with this card. 4 were for Game of Thrones and the other two were for Silicon Valley another HBO show. My Internet has not been disconnected and I have continued to receive Charter postcards for the other case numbers. My question is how likely would a lawsuit come from this or is this standard boiler plate? Should I do as this site suggest and stay calm?

    —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
    Hash: SHA1

    VIA EMAIL:Notice of Claimed Infringement via Email
    CASE:
    DATE:2014-06-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    We are writing this message on behalf of HOME BOX OFFICE, INC. (“HBO”).

    We have received information leading us to believe that an individual has utilized the IP address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX at the noted date and time below to host and/or facilitate the downloading and/or streaming of content (listed below) in which HBO is the copyright owner and/or the owner of exclusive rights in such content (the “HBO Properties”). No one is authorized to exhibit, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise distribute HBO Properties without the express written permission of HBO, and the unauthorized distribution of HBO Properties constitutes copyright infringement. This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.
    The title in question is: Game of Thrones

    As the owner of the IP address, HBO requests that Bresnan Communications immediately do the following:

    1. Contact the subscriber who has engaged in the conduct described above and take steps to prevent the subscriber from further downloading or uploading HBO content without authorization; and
    2. Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.

    We have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.

    We state, under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

    This letter is not a complete statement of HBO’s rights in connection with this matter, and nothing contained herein constitutes an express or implied wavier of any rights or remedies of HBO in connection with this matter, all of which are expressly reserved.

    We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.

    Any further enquiries can be directed to copyright@ip-echelon.com. Please include this message with your enquiry to ensure a quick response.

    Respectfully,

    Michael Lambert
    Enforcement Officer
    IP-Echelon
    Email: copyright@ip-echelon.com
    Address: 6715 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, 90028, United States

    – ————- Infringement Details ———————————-
    Title: Game of Thrones
    Timestamp: 2014-06-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    IP Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Port: 6881
    Type: BitTorrent
    Torrent Hash: 85bd556a1bfa0089232bb53240664bdf2c5e53fa
    Filename: game.of.thrones.s04e10.hdtv.x264-killers.mp4
    Filesize: 439 MB
    – ———————————————————————

    155512405
    Open
    Normal

    Home Box Office, Inc.
    IP-Echelon – Compliance
    6715 Hollywood Blvd
    Los Angeles CA 90028
    United States of America
    +1 (310) 606 2747
    copyright@ip-echelon.com

    Bresnan Communications

    dmca@bresnan.com

    2014-06-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
    6881
    BitTorrent

    1

    2014-06-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    Game of Thrones
    game.of.thrones.s04e10.hdtv.x264-killers.mp4
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    • DieTrollDie says:

      There is no history of HBO going after people who download/share their content via BT. Saying that, things can change at the drop of a hat. I don’t think HBO will do that, just playing devil’s Advocate. The best thing is to stop the activity on your network. It is also worth noting that Charter will keep those DMCA notices on file and if you happen to get caught up in a real federal Copyright Infringement case, the Plaintiff could ask the court for a subpoena for those types of records. They would use them to claim that you are a serial copyright infringer and did not stop the activity when notified.

      DTD :)

  39. Doe says:

    I made the mistake of logging on to my settlement case online and calling the company’s and speaking to someone. They have my name and number. Should I be worried ?

  40. Silver says:

    @DTD: After reading all comments and articles here, I have found one thing that 99% of ceg tek dmca notices are from charter, may be charter has something to do with it, may be profit sharing from the settlements,

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Some other ISPs do not forward theses notices to subscribers as they feel they are abusing the DCMA process/intent. Rightscorp is working to force (threaten) ISPs that unless they do this, they may become liable for the downloading.

      DTD :)

  41. John D. Doe says:

    I also received a notice recently, my only question is if any company has higher risks of forcing some type of settlement after passing through CEG-TEK. I.E., Alot of people have mentioned Malibu, but has any others seen action taken against them in some form from Patrick Collins, Vivid, Digital Sin etc.

    This question is based off of the information from RFC Express where none of these companies have had a recent law suit filed in the last year (But some activity has happened as late as June / July of 14). One of the for mentioned companies returned 25 pages of federal law suits dating back to 2010. My point here is that they had been very active in the past and have calmed down recently as far as federal suits, but should we be more aware of notices from CGI-TEK pertaining to these companies who up to a year ago have had a long history of taking individuals to court?

    The reason I am asking is that I have spoken to a lawyer who deals with copyright information and was informed that the company which I have received the CGI-TEK notice from has a higher tendency of going after individuals in the past. In addition, I was alerted to these companies using geo-tracking to help specify the location of the download and using public information from that address to obtain the owners information. Based on the lawyers discussion his previous clients have received fed-ex packages after the expiration of the first settlement offer that ups the value of the settlement. So while I do not want to pay the fine of $250 and have followed your advice of to this point of not contacting them (Except the 1 visit to their website when originally fined) I wanted to know your opinion on this information as I feel some of this was provided to help sway me into paying the retainer fee in addition to the settlement fee.

    My last point, I was also informed that for those that do settle without a lawyer may fall into a troll scam. This happens when the original client receives the information from CGI-TEK after a settlement has occurred. At this point it was reported that a trolling call center would call the user and attempt to extract more money for the original fine or attempt to falsify information in attempt to trick the user into paying fines for multiple movies that were downloaded. This is something else I have not seen any comments on within this site.

    Yet again, sorry for the long post and barrage of questions contained within. While I, nor anyone within my house knowingly downloaded the file in which we have been accused of; I want to make sure that I am taking the right action of ignoring and not settling now when a future Queesh or lawsuit could cost me 4 times as much to obtain the lawyer etc.

    Thanks

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I have yet to see ANY cases filed based off of the BT monitoring that CEG-TEK OR Rightscorp does. PERIOD. I will eagerly entertain such suggestion when backed up with some facts. I believe it could happen – but I have yet to see anything that suggests it. The cases you likely see in the past are those when these Plaintiff’s filed cased through a different firm/operation (Not CEG or Rightscorp). These firms got out of the actual law suit game because the risk was not worth the payoff they received – business model sucked for them. The business model CEG and Rightscorp uses is virtually no risk for them and they get money they never ever planned for. PURE PROFIT.

      Now I have heard more talk of the “ability” these firms allegedly have for identifying the people behind the IP addresses. More rumors that anything concrete. Still, this ability is not 100% accurate and they know this. It is still just a tool to get people to pay up out of fear. The tool was not designed to be exposed in open court. Hell, Malibu Media and Voltage Pictures do not want to expose their BT technical monitoring set-up. These Bozos are no where as advanced as the German firms.

      The scam aspect you mentioned could happen, but I have nothing to support such a view. As these guys are scum (IMO), I would not put it past them. The alleged evidence is never going to be tested in court or by an independent examination, so they can make up anything they want.

      If you have made sure the BT activity on your network has stopped, the chances of anything happening are almost NIL IMO.

      DTD :)

      • John D. Doe says:

        Thanks DTD,

        As you had mentioned CEG-TEK does not sue an individual, from my research this is dependent upon the owner of the title downloaded after the user has not paid the settlement fee. In addition, the user will have to be sued within the state that the offense took place if a law suit has been opened.

        So if a law suit was to happen, CEG-TEK would pass the information to their client i.e. ‘Patrick Collins’ and inform that no activity has occurred. Patrick Collins would send the information to their lawyer ‘Marvin Cable’ (acquired from previous public documentation) who would provide the follow up. But as mentioned Patrick Collins nor any company listed in my previous comments appear to be suing, the last case filed was 2/7/13.

        Reference:

        http://www.rfcexpress.com/search.asp?page=1&partyName=Patrick%20Collins&caseTypes=%27P%27,%20%27C%27,%20%27T%27&sort=date

  42. Greg says:

    I just received a notice through my Internet provider CenturyLink for 11 different items and only one of those is actually asking for money through CEG-TEK. Now it only took ten minutes to get my service back. Now it looks like i don’t have to worry about the 250 settlement that being asked of me, but CL can still shut off my net.

  43. Ladybug289 says:

    Hello I made the mistake of calling ceg and have them my name. But when I asked who am I post to talk to they could not give me a name or phone number what should I do

  44. ME says:

    I have a question actually questions. In order to receive emails like these, you have to had had bit torrent right? I have the only computer at home and I can assure them that I have never downloaded bit torrent. Or do they call BT to any file share website? if so, I still don’t have anything like that on my computer. Can it be done on a cell phone? If so, then there are other people that could but i highly doubt it. These allegations are false if people are claiming that they never have done anything. Can Ceg Tek be sued or something for making false allegations. My internet service provider called me to tell me that there is illegal copyright happening with my ip. They said that will discontinue the service if matters aren’t looked at. Do they know that this is a possible scam? I am so confused over the matter.

    I called my ISP and they forward me the email they received from Ceg Tek. I don’t want any legal action taken, I just want to be left alone. Are these claims real? Am I being scammed?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      1. This is not a scam in the true sense.
      2. CEG-TEK monitors BT for infringement of their clients – The Copyright owners.
      3. Yes, you can BT via a modern phone.
      4. CEG-TEK sees the BT activity coming from an IP address and forwards the letter to the ISP who owns it. They they forward it to you.
      5. You might not be doing it, but someone is likely using your WiFi Internet connection to do it.
      6. You could try to sue CEG-TEK, but unless you have lots of money AND can show they not trying to protect their clients interest, you are likely to lose big-time.
      7. The standard advice applies – Make sure the BT activity on your network stops – change the WiFi Internet password and don’t give it out – Tell your ISP you have resecured the network – move one with your life. Tell any users of your network not to BT on it – it comes back to YOU, not them.

      DTD :)

      • ME says:

        wow thanks for the fast reply! We are going to just secure our wifi better now and make sure no one is doing stuff like that. Is it easier to change internet providers? With a new provider and making sure no BT activity is happening can make this all go away and not happen in the future?

        appreciate your advice!

      • DieTrollDie says:

        You could change ISPs, it isn’t that hard to do. It really depends on what your choices are (or if you have a choice). I would say see what your ISP says first. No matter what ISP you pick, people can run BT on your network if you give them access or they can somehow get your password.

        DTD :)

  45. JD says:

    Let’s be real here, you settled anonymously I presume, so you would have to be re-sued within your ISP’s retention logs. I received a few emails from CEG-TEK in late 2012 and nothing came of it as of now. If they were to come, they better be sure your ISP can ID you, so I would say within a year then you are in the clear. I HIGHLY doubt you need to wait 3 years to get a subpeona because you are still anonymous to Malibu if you settled anonymously. Please chime in DTD and others who might have more experience/knowledge in this area.

  46. anynomouse49 says:

    I found some information regarding your comment.

    How Long Does Your ISP Store IP-Address Logs?

    http://torrentfreak.com/how-long-does-your-isp-store-ip-address-logs-120629/

    Here is an example memorandum submitted by Jon A. Hoppe.
    “Plaintiff dismisses Defendant John Doe because of the period of time for which the Internet Service Providers keep the data records has elapsed.”

    http://copyrightletter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Memorandum18.pdf

  47. JonDoe1980 says:

    I too received a letter from my ISP forwarded from ceg-tek about a week or so ago. In this letter it claims my ip was used to allegedly download 12 movies. Thing is, some of them are from months ago and the deadline to settle has already passed on 8 of them. Seems my ISP didn’t send the first ones out before or I would have made sure my router re-secured with a different pw. So now there is 8 that have passed and 4 still under the deadline.

    Out of these there are 10 different copyright holders. Is it now up to the individual copyright holders to pursue a lawsuit? If so, that means 10 different suits could potentially be filed? Or would ceg-tek file for all 12 at once? I looked at rfc express and couldn’t find any suits pursued by them, but over a thousand filed by MM. Are they completely entities or do they work together?

    Basically what would you think my best course of action would be at this point? I’m speaking with an attorney next week as well but just curious how others have handled this… Thanks!

  48. SRT157 says:

    can you explain to me the relevance of this information if you are contacted by a troller?

  49. DieTrollDie says:

    You are correct in that if any of the Plaintiff’s wish to file a law suit, they will have to do it. No grouping of multiple Plaintiffs allowed in theses types of cases. As this is CEG-TEK, I would still NOT contact them and go about securing your system and try to determine what happened. Keep good notes and file it safely away – highly doubt you will need it. As CEG-TEK has NO history of filing cases, I would hold off doing more. Yes, RFC Express shows the real cases filed and not the DMCA notices sent by CEG-TEK.

    DTD :)

  50. Silver says:

    Hey JonDoe1980, what did you find out at the end? what happened in your case? please guide me here

  51. Silver says:

    what was the end of the story in your case?

  52. Silver says:

    hey what is the present status of your case? did anyone come after you? please share

  53. JonDoe1980 says:

    I see, so I’m really trying my best to enjoy this holiday season but as you can probably tell, this is stressing me significantly. In your opinion with a lot more understanding and knowledge than myself, how likely is it that one or more of these will decide to file suit over one alleged movie download halfway across the country? I did look up each one and saw none of them have files anything since 2012…?

    Thanks for your time in all this, so stressed!

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