What is Your Story?

One new Doe made a great suggestion that some of us “seasoned” Does share our Copyright Troll experiences from start to current/finish.  This will help the newbies see how the situation unfolded for the rest of us.  I will make the first post and welcome all others to tell their story.  Be mindful not to give too much away and make it easy for the Troll to identify you.  For a majority of you that will not be an issue.  For others who have pissed off the Trolls by our actions (like myself), be safe.

My Story

In 2010, I received a package in the mail from my Internet Service Provider (ISP).  What is this?  Upon opening it, I found a bunch of papers, some appearing to be court documents, stating my public IP address downloaded/shared a copyright protected porn movie.  The owner of the porn movie was suing a bunch of the people who downloaded/shared the movie in Federal Court (located in another State).  I didn’t do this, but as I have others in the residence who use my Internet connection.  I go around and check the devices to see if the file in question can be found.  I questioned everyone in the residence, but everyone denied doing it.  I don’t find the file and as I know (as the registered public IP owner) I didn’t do anything wrong, I put it to the side.  I thought there is no evidence to support the allegation, so this will go nowhere.  Some serious family issues soon arose and I never went further with it.

Sometime later, I got another letter in the mail from a Copyright Troll.  This is when I started to get worried.  The letter stated in very clear terms that I was a defendant in a Copyright Infringement case (filed in another State) and I had downloaded/shared a porn movie via BitTorrent on a certain date/time.  The letter stated that “I” was responsible for this illegal activity and that the copyright owner was prepared to sue me for as much money as they could get ($150K + attorney fees).  I freaked!  The letter also explained that there was no excuse or defense to these allegations.  Bottom line – I was guilty (In their opinion) and if I chose to, they would be kind enough to accept $3K to make the threat of losing everything go away.

I started to search the Internet for any information on this case, and soon found the term “Copyright Trolls.”  After that the information started to follow.  I found the EFF and contacted one of the attorney on their Copyright Defense page.  This attorney explained to me that this was a legal scam to extract as much money from Doe defendants as possible.  He also explained the statute of limitation was three-years and since the case was filed in another State, the Troll would have to get someone authorized to practice law in my State to file a case against me.  He said I could get a local attorney to represent me and send the Troll a letter stating 1) I didn’t do it, 2) No evidence on my systems, 3) I will fight you in court if need be, 4) If by some odd chance you win, I will file bankruptcy.  If I didn’t want to pay an attorney to do this, I could ignore the Troll and it would likely pass.  As I didn’t have the money to spend on an attorney, I opted to ignore the Troll.

I again went around to all the systems in the house and verified that the movie was not on any of them.  I also checked on my Wireless Fire Wall/Router and determined that unknown systems/users had been connecting to it.  I took screenshots of the connected systems and then blocked them.  I keep these records and all the other paperwork on my case in a safe place, in case it is ever needed (Highly doubtful).

Soon after talking to the attorney, I had a voicemail from the Troll agent.  Same BS line as the initial letter, “My client is prepared to go forward…… If you want to settle and avoid an expensive trial…. Possible finding of $150K+ against you….. Please call me at …..”  I got a couple more voicemails and even another letter.  All during this time I’m learning more and more about this racket and what a bunch of sleazy bottom-feeders me and the multitude of Does were having to deal with.

The calls and letters stopped and I never heard from the Troll again.  Also during this time I found Fightcopyrighttrolls.com (Hi Jane!).  After getting better educated on this situation, I decided to start my own blog and try to help some of the Does.

I kept an eye on my case in PACER and soon found out that the Troll had dismissed it.  It stayed open for more than a year.  The troll claiming that “The ISPs are slow,” “negotiations were taking a long time,” etc.  I would come to find out this was the standard procedure for a Troll.  Milk a case for all that it is worth and then shut it down and move to another.  GREED!  Plain and simple.  Recent court filing also confirmed that one of the Trolls has not named/served a single Doe.  The other trolls are doing the same thing.

So I haven’t paid a Troll or defense attorney a dime and I’m still around!  The worse thing I have lost is some time I spend trying to get the word out.  The return I get in good Karma is worth it.  I’m still under threat, as the statute of limitation has yet to pass – but it will.  As I have pissed off the Trolls and some copyright owners, I don’t think it is a good idea to come out once the three-years has passed.  Not the most difficult thing for a Troll to find out a public IP address and add it to a list of “offenders.”  Proof or “Stopping Piracy,” has nothing to do with these legal actions.  Money drives it all.

15 June 2012 Update – Take a listen to this Doe talk about “his story.”  Thank you SJD for finding this.

8 Jan 2013 Update – Since my last update, some Trolls decided to name or name/serve a limited number of Does with a summons/complaint or a deposition subpoena.  These cases are usually the result of a previous mass-Doe case that the Troll uses to obtain ISP subscriber information on the Does.  The numbers are still very small overall, but you should be aware of this.  STILL, we have had ZERO cases judged on their merits in a trial.  This new tactic is designed to either get the named Doe to settle or test the water for a possible default judgement motion if the Doe does not respond at all.  If this happens, I’m of the opinion to hire an attorney knowledgeable on these cases.  The problem the Troll has with this tactic is what to do if a defendant answers a complaint with a denial or denial/counterclaims, the Troll/Plaintiff can’t easily drop the case.  The Troll doesn’t want to have the case judged on its merits – there is none.  The Troll then has to either wait for the court to dismiss it for some reason or settle with the defendant – paying off the Doe.  Even if a court dismisses such a case, the Troll knows the defendant is most likely going to motion the court for an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs.

18 June 2013 Update – At this point we have seen the start of the destruction of Prenda Law and the PA Bellwether trial took place.  I expect Lipscomb and Malibu Media will claim the trial validated all their claims and that are only attempting to stop pirates from taking their content for free.  The Bellwether trial was disappointing in that it failed to make Lipscomb/Malibu Media answer any hard questions about their operation.  It was a “show trial” agreed upon after all three defendants settled with Plaintiff.   The possible long-term effects of this trial are debatable, but Copyright Trolling in its various forms will continue.  Lipscomb/Malibu Media have tailored their efforts to minimize the risks, but if they play it long enough, they will crap out.

OK, enough of me.  What is your story?

1,401 Responses to What is Your Story?

  1. bc says:

    So like a previous poster, I too am in Canada and received a CEG-TEK letter to settle for one movie (downloaded only 6 days ago). I panicked, clicked the link and filled out my personal info (that was dumb) However the payment did not go through and did nothing more. They do have my info now unfortunately.
    I have stopped all torrent/p2p activity, Changed my IP address and using a VPN.
    What could happen now? if they contact me again should I ignore? Pay?
    Any advice would be great since I’m Panicking.

    • Dan says:

      I’m no pro, but I’ve seen the pros say repeatidly ignore letters from those guys and stop infringing activities. I highly recommend vpn for everybody regardless of the legality of there online activities. Make sure your vpn provider keeps no logs otherwise they will just hand over your info.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Same advice to ignore and move on. They will likely send more notices and threat to escalate the matter. All BS IMO.

      DTD :)

    • Jethro says:

      It’s been 2 years since I got my letter. I called a local attorney that handles mostly federal cases. I explained my situation. His advice shocked me. He said ignore it and do not make any contact and if they should contact you “Tell them to go fuck themselves” He told me that they can get enough money from scared people at no cost to them then going to court is not what they want to do as it cost them in time and other cost. He also said the 5 major IPS providers have agreed not to give anyone client information without a court sopena or until they get 5 complaints then they will disconnect me. Most IPS providers get dozens a week from these trolls. Before you run out and sign up for a Proxy do some research. I now pay $9.00 month for piece of mind. I generally go through servers from countries that are not very fond of the US.

  2. Mickey says:

    Does rfcexpress.com upload court information within days of the Subpoena being filed or does it upload info on a court case within days of the court date being set? Or does rfcexpress.com not give any info on a court case until it is officially over-the verdict has been reached etc.

    Thanks to anyone who responds!!!

  3. Holmes says:

    I too got the similar letter in the mail. When I looked up the charges with the case number and password, it was a total of $900! I haven’t contacted them yet and don’t plan to do so. Is it right to just ignore it?

  4. jdoe1092 says:

    Ceg-Tek sent me a letter today, I freaked out and paid immediately not wanting to take this any futher since I don’t know if unknown people have been using my internet connexion. Only 15 minutes later I decided to make some research. That was stupid I know, I feel like i’ve been scammed.
    I want to know if there is any risk if I cancel that payment, since they still got my personal infos.
    And what if I don’t cancel, what must I expect from them?
    If I cancel what are the chances that they strike back with everything they got?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I don’t think you are at any more of a risk if you cancel the payment. They will likely tell you that they are escalating the matter, but that is all BS in my opinion. They do not sue anyone , even the ones they have the names of.

      DTD :)

      • jdoe1092 says:

        Wow thanks for the fast reply :)
        But May I ask how can you be so sure about all you say. Are you some kind of law specialist? Excuse my paranoia at the moment, understand I am really freaking out right now.
        Thanks! I live in Canda BTW

      • DieTrollDie says:

        I have been at this since 2010, and these Bozos have YET to file any real cases in the USA. I’m not an attorney, but I was an investigator in a previous career. IMO they are even more unlikely to do anything in Canada, as the damage award is maxed out at $5,000. A real trial will cost them way more than that. These guys run their operation on the cheap and filing real cases isn’t cheap. Just make sure the BT activity stops and doesn’t start back up. Rescue the WiFi password and move on with your life.

        DTD :)

  5. doe says:

    Hi I got an e-mail from CEG-TEK asking for a 200$ settlement. I paid and gave all my informations, Am I screwed? For what I understand, they will use that info to get even more money from me! I don’t know what to do…

    • DieTrollDie says:

      They could do that, but you aren’t screwed. Try to cancel the payment and ignore their efforts to scare you. Make sure you the BT activity stops and doesn’t start back up. Rescue your WiFi connection and move on with your life.

      DTD :)

  6. JustAnotherJohnDoe says:

    Looks like I’m another in a long line of similar stories. Got 2 notifications from Ceg-Tek. Same movie, two fines. Apparently because the torrent DL took 2 days, they count it twice. The total was $600. The stupid thing is I use a VPN. I just forgot to turn it on for this DL. dumb. Anyway, unless anyone suggests otherwise, I’m just ignoring it.

  7. TrollHater says:

    So I’m just beginning this journey. I’m getting emails from my ISP saying that some trolls contacted them about some porn that was downloaded using my wifi. After a serious conversation and thorough check of our household devices we have come to the conclusion that we have not committed the infringements. We are now looking to everyone else we have ever given our wifi password to. They have not yet sent a subpoena for our names.

    So far they are claiming around 60 infringements, most of which are the same movie just getting repeated as another infringement. Is 60 considered big or is this still “small time?” I’m trying to get a scale of how serious of a case they or anyone thinks they may have with that many alleged infringements.

    I’ll keep you guys updated as I go along and I would much appreciate your advice. I’m going to do everything that I can to stop then from getting my identity and that’s ask I can do at this stage.

    Also, what was the site with the examples for a motion to quash?

  8. TrollHater says:

    It is CEG. Thank you for the advice. I’ll keep you updated if the situation changes.

  9. JDoe says:

    I too recently got an email stating I had downloaded something and I should pay them $200. I haven’t contacted them in any form. My biggest concern is that all of this information was forwarded to me by my VPN service (they have my billing address). The main network that was in use was a public network at a country I was in far far away forward to a stateside IP. I, like many others am still freaking out. I guess my question is should I even be remotely worried? (not to pay them, but to at least get me an attorney)

  10. James T Kirk says:

    If you have nothing they cannot take anything. I live in the uk and my isp sent me a letter saying they have handed over my details. I have had this before off ACSLaw that was a joke and so is this. I told ACSLaw to go and F**k spiders and I will tell TCYK the exact same. If they want to waste their money then they can. Here in the UK if you have nothing then a civil court cannot take anything or even do anything.
    In conclusion, I run linux live without a hard drive so I have nothing to show or save, so I say to TCYK, are you feeling lucky punk, come on make my day.

    • JB says:

      Hello James – I’ve got 2nd set of letters from TCYK yesterday after I replied to their first letter that I do not know nor never heard of TCYK ever! As usual coz I’m the named account holder responsible, they can send me Settlement Offer Proposal and Undertaking Form before costs escalate!! I’m not the sort who panics so done my web research after their initial letter and remaining to keep my cool but it’s so annoying this is on my back adding to the volume of workload I can’t keep my head up enough above water :( Is it worth seeing Citizen’s Advice Bureau? or as most of the comments here..IGNORE? until hopefully this matter dies? But I wonder how come these companies can do this or send these letters openly? I never downloaded anything but if have people or visitors around I happily let them use my WiFi – we mostly do – don’t we? ;) Thanks v much to all.

      • James T Kirk says:

        Have you got a letter from a lawyer here in the UK? If not it just seems to be them using the well known fishing technique ie. send a bill and hope you pay. As far as I know US lawyers cannot conduct a case here in the UK and I wouldn’t think they would come all this way if they could. Remember over here it is a civil matter and if they do not win there entire business model falls apart. Hang on tight and give them nothing and please let me know if a UK lawyer is stupid enough to take it on.

  11. Imson says:

    I got a email from CEG-TEK this morning that i have violated copyright rules and they have charged me $1500. What should I do? Should I Act towards it or should i just leave it and move on?

  12. Pokemon says:

    how long after downloading does someone get a notice? also, if someone doesn’t receive one does that mean they are in the clear? also if a company asks to put a hold on your IP address with your ISP will you get notified? I know some ISPs allow for hold requests?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      No hard and fast rule for that. For CEG-TEK and RightsCorp, it is often very soon after they record the BT activity. For the mass-Doe cases (like Dallas Buyers Club), they often collect the IP addresses until they have a predetermined number (in a particular jurisdiction, i.e. Northern District of IL) and then file a case. It can take one week or a month or two. It seems for the mass-Doe cases, they are trying to keep it under a month, as they think the court will be less inclined to wonder about proper joinder of all the Does. Most of the time, the activity is around 3-6 prior to the case filing.

      As for Malibu Media/X-Art and the other single Doe cases, they seem to be monitoring for a longer period of time. In my most recent article, I mention a case where the monitoring/recording of BT activity of an IP address went on for 9 months. They did this to gather evidence on who the likely person was, their likes, hobbies, interests, and to establish that the activity likely did not come from a random person mooching free WiFi.

      As far as a hold on your info – you might get notified, but it is best to call your ISP and find out.

      DTD :)

      • Pokemon says:

        thanks for the fast reply. last question: let’s say the ISP records are held for 1 year, if someone hasn’t heard anything past that point (after the IP log has been purged) does that mean the copyright holder is out of luck ?

      • Pokemon says:

        also, if a copyright holder files after an ISP retention policy, does that mean the copyright holder is unable to prove and sue? *Sorry if this a repeat question from me as I couldn’t till if my first submission sent throug.

      • Alex says:

        I got 2 (from same file) and from CEG-TEK but the copyright is from MG Premium Ltd. Should I be worried? Didn’t look at any settlement so they couldn’t tell I accessed it at least. It’s “due” on Jume 8th. I think I’m just going to wait it out, to my knowledge no MG Premium has filed anything yet.

    • Pokemon says:

      also, will you get the standard warning letter and then after down the line possibly get a lawsuit letter for the same infringement ?

      • DieTrollDie says:

        OK. For most of the Trolls is works like this. If it is CEG-TEK or RightsCorp, you will get a DMCA notice/settlement demand (Unless you ISP removed the settlement demand portion). No law suits will follow.

          *** NOTE: Exception is for music belonging to “Rotten Records” (RightsCorp employeer) – Cases have only been filed so far in MA, NJ, & NY. ***

        If it is from a Troll/Plaintiff who files real copyright infringement law suits,you will NOT (correct me if I’m wrong) get a DMCA notice via your ISP. The real Troll doesn’t want you to stop the activity until he has been able to collect as much downloading information as possible.

        DTD :)

  13. Doe says:

    I received a letter from my isp…it was edited as well, but I also have a subscription to Netflix, where I watched said movie they said I downloaded..do these people have a clue or are the like the ambulance chasers and hoping that we will just pay them Z???

  14. amtoz says:

    I got a notice from CEG_TEK to settle 300$ claim they had. I honestly freaked out and paid immediately like some others two days ago. I now am panicked of their probable future emails to threat me of any thing serious that might happen to me. Now that I am looking through my Inbox I have got some previous notices of them which I accidentally didnt notice and didint pay attention to and nothing has happened to me regarding those. Some for 6-7 months ago.

    PLZ somebody gives me an advice.

  15. caz says:

    “Canada” here is some recent info about these Trolls ( http://brevi.tk/tpx2 ) which I found as I just got 7 letters for a tv show, (they say I downloaded) and now I got one for a video they claim I downloaded and are trying to bully for a settlement payment. DON’T Pay from what I read.

  16. SliceofPie says:

    ugh, I just got a notice this past monday from my ISP. Had to look up who Malibu Media was. Was surprised to see the first page of results be all about MM lawsuits and nothing about Malibu Media itself. It appears I’m a single Doe case. Any advice or suggestions?

  17. JonDoe says:

    I live in Canada. I got an email on June xx from CEG TEK saying I downloaded some porn and they wanted me to pay $xxxx. I panicked (even punched a wall) I called them, gave them my cell phone number and my name. Said that this was real and you should just pay to get it off your chest. I dug out a pre-paid visa and tried paying with that and I’m pretty sure I filled out my personal info on that aswell. It didn’t go through since it was only $100. I called them back, saw I tried paying. Anyway, I did some research and haven’t clicked on the link ever since that day. I’m pretty sure they’ve tried calling me 4 times since then but I’m not sure since they are unknown numbers from the U.S. What do you think would happen and what to do now.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Ignore and make sure the BT activity on your network stops and doesn’t start back up. Change your WiFi password and don’t freely give it out. As far as I know, no real copyright infringement cases have been filed in Canada by CEG or the content owners who signed on with them. Do not speak to them on the phone, as there is nothing to say that will get them to drop this. Plus you may accidentally give them some information they could used to scare you into paying.

      DTD :)

      • JonDoe says:

        Ok thanks. I’m not sure if it’s CEG, but I keep getting phone calls from somewhere in the United States and I never answer them. Do I just keep ignoring? Sorry, they say that I have until July 1st and I just don’t want to get in more trouble. I know I’m not guilty but since I contacted them on the phone, I’m not sure if they can bring that to court and use it against me.

      • DieTrollDie says:

        Ignore. Period. The fact that you called is NOT evidence of guilt. Don’t even go that route. Many people have paid out of fear. Don’t be one. They will eventually move on to other people.

        DTD :)

      • JonDoe says:

        What would should I do.

  18. jondoe1818 says:

    i got a subpoena from clacier films inc. what should i do go to court ,seattle or what help.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      It looks like they have filed some mass doe cases. Do a Google search and see if you can get a free consult from an attorney who knows these types of cases. Please,also send me what the ISP sent you. I will not release the information. From this I will be better able to answer your questions.

      DTD :)

      • jondoe1818 says:

        attorney told me we can settle out of court for 3-4k plus hes 700 fee. what you think

  19. jondoe1818 says:

    i got subpoena from clacier films what should i do show to court or what

  20. Anonymous says:

    I just got this from my ISP provider Pen Tele Data about paying approx. 1,500 for a few different movies. Has anyone passed their deadline with nothing happening afterwards? I really don’t want to pay this out just because I downloaded some porn. My deadline isn’t until the end of July 31. Any help would be greatly appreciated or any advice that is.

  21. Outside says:

    I’m a little confused between the difference in the advice for CEG-TEK vs Malibu Media(and Dallas Buyers Club). It seems the advice is to ignore CEG-TEK notices but not to ignore MM or Dallas Buyers Club. If I understand correctly, this is because CEG-TEK copy right holders do not sue, while MM and Dallas copy right holders do sue? Do I have this right?
    I received a CEG-TEK letter for copyright material by Girls Gone Wild from my VPN-ISP. I don’t believe CEG-TEK has my personal info. Is GGW known for suing?

  22. JonDoe197 says:

    I just got served a subpena for XX infractions from malibu media. Lawyer told me it would be best if I just settle.

  23. fkrc says:

    my deal with rightscrap is reaching a year soon. their last voicemail was a new person, sounded pleasant and informed me they can give a discount if i settle but only for that day :)

  24. doe says:

    Hello DTD, just wanna ask if Malibu Media has similar lawsuit cases ”outside” of the United States? Or they simply don’t do it because it’s not worth the hassle…Thanks

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I think Malibu Media tried to sue in Germsny, but we’re shutdown sometime ago. I will have to look into ghis. As,far as I know, Malibu Media only Trolls in the US. Even then, they only do this in jurisdictions where they have found attorneys with questionable ethics (my opinion ). They also steer clear of jurisdictions that have strong Doe defenders and courts who can see the truth of their operations.

      DTD :)

  25. James T Kirk says:

    Hi JB, I am waiting for my letter, Sky went and told them that I am the subscriber to the ip address and then warned me that I was about to receive a letter which up until now hasn’t appeared. I don’t want to advise you but I can tell you what I will do, I will completely ignore it and if at a later date they take me to court I will fight it, if they win and I doubt very much they will even take me to court after watching ACSLaw aka Andrew Crossly go bankrupt trying this scam in the uk.
    In conclusion I am a pensioner and own nothing so they will pay dearly for taking me to court, the bailiffs wouldn’t even get anything. It is a scam Andrew Crossly only won undefended cases by default as if he was to have taken anyone to court and then lost his scam would have failed.
    I am almost looking forward to TCYK taking me to court, I haven’t been to London for quite some time. By the way that is one film I didn’t download either.

  26. Doe says:

    I just received a call from my ISP today in PA. I also received 4 letters of infringment from CEG-TEK, stating i owe $2,100.00. I followed my ISP’s advice and turned off wifi and reset the password. I then logged onto the copyright site to see what I owed. (why would i question my ISP who i have done business with for 10 years.) I then called the site number to see what I am supposed to do next. Talk about a feeling of panic. We all know copyright infringement is a serious thing. So, to see a letter threatening lawsuit against me or i could settle out of court. It seemed the obivous choice. After I called the site number, I was told, I would receive a call back. I did from a Dan Davidson 310-933-4753. I spoke with this inidividual. I never claimed responsibility for the infringements. But he was leading the conversation the entire time. Leading me down a path that a family member must have done it. Anyway, he was more than willing to lower my settlement to $1,200.00. I did not pay and told him i needed to think about this.

    I found this site in researching. What do I do? Are they really going to take me to court over the possibility that someone viewed some porn, that sites are handing out free daily, like drug dealers handing out crack at parties?

    This is a really sick scam and this needs to be stopped. My wife received the call and lost a half day of work because this. this isn’t right.

    I have until September 30th or else!

    • DieTrollDie says:

      They do not take ANYONE to court. CEG-TEK is employed by the copyright owner to try and get some cash from alleged BT downloaders/sharers. If the actual copyright owner wanted to sue people, they would not use a cut-rate organization like CEG-TEK. The copyright owners who do sign up with CEG-TEK don’t have to pay for anything. They get approx. 50% of what CEG-TEK is able to scare out of people. It is like free cash to them – all they have to do is give their consent to CEG-TEK.

      Ignore the calls/letters, texts, etc. These bozos are a jok IMO. Absolutely NO history of anyone getting sued in Federal court from a CEG-TEK case.

      DTD :)

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Read and reread my page on CEG-TEK/Rightscorp. Ignore them and do NOT speak with them. There is NO record of CEG-TEK or it clients actually taking anyone to court – PERIOD.

      DTD :)

      • doe says:

        I already spoke with them. But dd not admit to anything. i will take your advice. I will see what happens after the 30th. My guess is they will come back at me with more threatening letters and calls.

    • I’m with Bell in Canada… Recieved 8 notices each $225 USD. Called CEG TEK, said what I had to (it wasn’t me, someone used my wifi…network wasnt secure, i was out of town) had all the cases dropped. They were very hesitant to do so, but after a lot of annoying phone calls on my part (late in the day when they were closing up, several messages asking to get back to me when they were closed, multiple emails, asking to be transferred, change in tone, etc), they got tired and dropped them. They however initially reduced the fines to 3/8 to reduce the fine… In court all they can do is show that someone used your connection to download porn and the time they did it. They can’t tell who did it. If you choose not to pay, and they do not reduce the fines, tell them you will provide the courts with evidence of where you were during the activities they tracked, and no one lives with you. Your network was not secure, you were hacked, etc. just don’t admit to anything you did not do. take the lead in the phone conversation, do not let them have the upper hand. Be polite, and aggressive. Don’t be rude with words, just sound angry. say you cant afford any of it. it was not you.

    • Doe Jon says:

      I am in the same situation as you. I received 45 emails from my ISP of Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement, all of which it looks like was Pornography movies that were downloaded in time I was downloading tv episodes on Tribler (Torrent program) I have since then called my ISP Security Department and explained to them it was not me and so on and so fourth and they said they would note all this on my account, and to change my WIFI Password as well as delete and cease all uses of Torrent Programs. I then took it upon myself (as I was really freaking out about this) to contact CEG-TEK and got a call back from the same person you did Dan Davidson at the same number and as you said he led almost the entire conversation with barely letting me get in a word and then threatened me pretty extremely saying that I should pay a settlement of 5400 as my IP address was seen making over 40 illegal porno downloads and to go on this website and look at all the claim charges and that I should consider settling with this as if I did not I would be escalated and sued by the people who made these pornography movies. Needless to say he ended up hearing me get extremely upset and almost break down in tears explaining that this was not me who downloaded these movies and that I took all the security steps given to me by my ISP and so on, but the guy had absolutely no sympathy at all and just filled me with non stop threats, lawsuits and so on. Now I only supplied him with my first name and my cell phone number and house phone number, my father then called my ISP and they advised us to ignore all of these threats made by this guy and to block his number from both my house phone as well as cell phone. But what scares me is this troll said something completely otherwise and now that I gave my cell phone number and house number and first name (also when he called and left me a voicemail it said my first and last name of which I forgot was on there) so he possibly wrote down my last name based on the voicemail…. so I am scared to death. reading many of these stories about this same troll company as mine puts my mind at ease a little bit but should I be worried? Or should I do just as my ISP level 2 security person told me to do and cease any further communications with this guy as well as block his number and ignore all threats as since I took all security steps and the BT activity stops there should be nothing to come of this. DTD could you also give me your advice on this as well as this was extremely stressful and emotional through this guys intense threats and allegations that he was coming for me and will sue me.

  27. hah says:

    I figured I’d share my story…

    I moved a few months ago and set up an internet connection with one of the local ISP’s. I bought a wireless router to connect all of my electronic devices. For the first couple of weeks, I got constant notifications that the router firmware needs to be updated. What I was not aware of is that after updating the firmware – all of the wireless network passwords reset and need to be manually re-entered in the router configuration.

    Some time later I recieved a notice from my ISP that CEG-TEK notified them of copyrighted material being downloaded via my IP address. The settlement they asked for was $300 bucks for a pornographic film.

    After a couple of days of panicked googling – I discovered that my wireless connection was unsecured! Unfortunately it was too late. The damage had apparently been done.

    I contacted CEG-TEK anonymously via snail mail explaining my situation. I offered them an anonymous payment of much less than what they asked. They contacted me through a burner e-mail (accessed through vpn and a public wifi miles away from where I actually live) stating that they cannot settle for less than $300 as this was the absolute minimum set by the copyright holder. They stated that they have no control over the settlement amount – it is determined by the copyright holder.

    I have questioned the numerous youngsters that frequent my house whether or not they have downloaded anything naughty….but lets face it – what teenager is going to admit downloading a porno. I am almost sure it was unauthorized activity as a result of my network being unsecured following the updates on my wireless router. I have not found the file in question on my, or any of the other devices connected to my network.

    My burning question is this. Do I pay the $300 settlement to get some peace of mind? Or do I do what I have been wanting to do for a very long time: buy one of those new SSDs and destroy the old one just in case one of the kids that frequent my house told a tall tale with regards to the download? I have nothing I have to have on my old HD. I am long overdue for an upgrade and have really been wanting a new SSD!

    I have contacted an attorney with regards to this matter and he told me that I “COULD” pay to get peace of mind. Anonymously, mind you. You could send a money order omitting the remitter field and requesting that the liability release be made out to your IP address instead of your real name. (document and copy everything)

    The attorney also informed me that neither CEG-TEK or the copyright holder have not filed any copyright cases, but it is entirely possible that they may do so. Paying this $300 settlement is simply to give me peace of mind that I am released from all liability.

    Please let me know what you think….

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Well I of course say no to paying these idiots anything. Take a wait and see approach. As you stated, the is NO history of CEG-TEK or the actual copyright owners who employee them suing anyone in a while. If they wanted to sue, they wouldn’t work with a cut-rate operation like CEG-TEK.

      DTD :)

    • doe says:

      Smart. Wish I would have thought of that. I validated my router was unsecured. I thought it was secured, but i was wrong. I added WPA2 security to it. No one in my house is using any BT software. So, i am going to ignore these threats. I am tired of this bull crap. These trolls need to find another bridge to live under.

  28. doe says:

    I appreciate the information. They really made my life hell, the other day.

  29. Joe Bloggs says:

    My situation is different than what I have read here. So I wanted to put it up here in case anyone else can relate to this. There have been probably hundreds of BT downloads over the past 12 months over my connection. I only recently found a few emails from CEG-TEK. BUT, this is on email associated with my ISP account – which I never checked (until this week). My email on that account deletes every 45 days. It is possible that hundreds of titles may have been downloaded over the past 12 months. I really don’t know. So, I started to think that maybe there were God knows how many of these notices that I may have never know about. I have been pulling my hair out, scared to the bone. I contacted my ISP. They can’t retrieve old notices and don’t keep them as records. To the best of my knowledge, I never received any letters in the mail. That’s what sucks. If I knew about this right away, I would’ve made sure that this wasn’t happening on my network.

    I contacted an attorney and know that at least right now I am not being named in a suit. I have contracted one of the attorney’s on this site. The fee is low. They are going to contact CEG-TEK to find out the extent of their claims. I don’t have an answer yet. Here are my fears. How do I know that the attorney on this site isn’t actually part of the scam. So, Ira Siegel doesn’t get my info from a site visit, but now with the attorney looking into it my IP address is on the radar and Ira says – “Hey, we got one! Let’s ruin him!” What I mean is, is it just as bad to have the attorney look into it as it is to do so yourself. I know how some people feel here… You can’t live with the idea of thinking this thing could hang over you for 3 years! Even in best case scenario of having to wait 6 to 18 months to “believe” your ISP dumped your old IP info, then waiting for months after that for a letter that probably will never come.

    Part of me feels like an idiot for contacting the attorney and possibly exposing myself to risk. But the fact is, unlike all the posts I’ve read so far, I don’t think that there are just 3 or 6 or 10 notices involved. It literally could be so much more! Doesn’t that make for a target? It is so scary. Even the attorney says they haven’t dealt with a case of more than 20. But I can’t believe that people who watch porn only download 1 or 2.

    I’m so paranoid that I don’t even want to mention my attorney, because an earlier post says that the trolls read this site and that the only real protection you have is your anonymity. I’ll report back on what happens and hopefully it will be nothing for the next 3 years! That’s a long wait….

    • DieTrollDie says:

      OK. A couple things. First, if you haven’t stopped the BT activity on your network, do that – also make sure it doesn’t start back up again. Second, resecure the WiFi connection with a new password. Third, stop spinning yourself up with thoughts that CEG-TEK is going to sue you. They have no history of suing. AND if the copyright owners wanted to, they wouldn’t have hired on with a cut-rate monetization firm. PLUS, each copyright owner would have to file law suits for their movies – they cannot all sue together. IMO, stop bothering with CEG-TEK. I will caution you that there are real copyright trolls out their and if someone using your network download/share one of their movies, you could be in for some real trouble.

      As far as a Defense attorney working with the Trolls, it is unlikely, highly unethical, and can get one disbarred.

      DTD :)

  30. dungoofed says:

    Hey there DTD!

    I just got an email from my ISP forwarded from CEG-TEK representing Elegant Angel. As I live in a multi-person unit at school and just pay for internet, I’m not sure who it concerns. I was just wondering if it is worth it to get to the bottom of this or just let it pass. I’m from Canada so I don’t know if laws are different here or not. I have clicked on the link they sent and checked the case # but have not filled out any information. I’d like to hear your advice.

    Thanks a lot!

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Are you in Canada or the US right now? I would get to the bottom of who was responsible. If in the US, if the person responsible downloads/shares content that a real Troll monitors, a real copyright infringement case could be filed. Be careful.

      DTD :)

  31. Unknown says:

    I received an email from one of attorney from company named Photoclaim that I violated a copyright of his client by posting a photo he made on my blog. They offered me an out-court settlement for more than 1800€. In mail I apologize myself to owner of picture and I immediately delete picture from my blog. Well, my action was not enough. They still want the money. They have my name, last name and e-mail address. The attorney, owner of photo and me are all coming from different countries.

    I am asking for your help.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I usually don’t follow the photo infringement companies that much.   It looks like the company “Photoclaim,” likes to use attorneys to send out settlement demand to people and/or companies that infringe upon the copyrights of people who employed their services.  They believe that using an attorney gets a higher return on their settlement demand efforts. If it was only one picture, I think the chance of them actually suing you in some court is unlikely at best.  Photoclaim is in the business to generate settlements on the cheap and going to court is an expensive option. It also depends on what the laws in your country say about copyright infringement, as well as how a copyright owner would have to legally come after you. If the attorney is from another country, I seriously doubt they are going to come to your country and sue over a claim of E1800.  It just doesn’t make financial sense on any level.  NOW, if you were a big rich company and the number of infringements were large, it “Might” make sense (if the courts/law in your country favor them) to file a law suit and them work out a settlement. 

      Like I said, this just seems like another copyright monetization firm that prefers to scare people into settling.  Just make sure the images are gone and ignore the letters from the attorney.  Do NOT ignore any valid “legal” documents – if any ever show up – I highly doubt it.

      DTD :)

  32. doe says:

    I just got an email from my ISP warning me not to download copyright material along with the title of the movie I downloaded, a link to CEG TEKs website, and a “case number”. Should I even bother clicking the link, or just ignore it entirely?

  33. John Doe 101015 says:

    I got one of these from CEG-TEK wanting $300. I foud out that my son did in fact download the movie in question. Should I pay up?

  34. Patrick Lotburg says:

    Once my friend paid $200, they harassed him into paying more money since they found more past downloads.

    This is a scam.

    My friend had all the calls recorded. I wonder if he should go to the police.

  35. Krakus303 says:

    This about covers it. I received the notice in IL. Wondering what people are doing. I found out by calling a law firm that they usually require a 3-3.5k payment plus your attorney costs.

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