Need Cash? – Mortgage A Copyright To A Troll – TCYK, LLC

I decided to take a look at another group of non-pornography copyright troll case and see what I could find.  The Plaintiff for a recent spat of cases is TCYK, LLC.  “TCYK” is the acronym for the movie, “The Company You Keep,” – IMDB link, a larger mainstream movie that looks to have grossed over Five Million dollars since its December 2012 release in Italy (USA release 5 Apr 13).  Here is a couple of sites that have discussed the TCYK LLC cases filed in IL and WI, as well as a few complaint.

Antonelli Law    IL Litigation    Erin Russell    Complaint_03823(IL)     Complaint_00298(WI)    Complaint_03125_(IL)

In my opinion, the Plaintiff is a front for the copyright troll operation of generating settlements from alleged copyright infringement via BitTorrent.  Now I don’t doubt that copyright infringement of the movie in question is occurring.  What I do take exception with is the business model of extracting settlements for copyright infringement and claiming to be fighting piracy.  That argument is BS in my opinion and this is nothing more than greed raising its ugly head.  I assume that the Plaintiff/Troll will make a settlement demand of at least $2K for the infringement.  I also believe the settlement amount demanded by the trolls to be excessive.  The Trolls will claim they are operating within the law as written, but they know the law was written to combat commercial copyright infringement and NOT individual infringement.  They are gaming the system for profit and are not fighting piracy in the slightest.

Mortgage A Copyright

Loan1If you take a look at the US Copyright Office database, you will find many interesting things concerning this plaintiff and the copyright in question for the DVD (PAU003660935, 17 Oct 12).  The initial interesting bit is that TCYK LLC owns the copyright rights because of a transfer or rights.  Sounds very Prenda-ish doesn’t it???  If you continue to look at all the documents associated with TCYK LLC, you will notice a group of document showing the copyright was apparently mortgaged.  Many interesting names and companies are associated with this activity of apparently mortgaging the copyright for cash and then filing these suits to repay the mortgage.  So now it looks like Fireman’s Fund Insurance Company and International Guarantors, LLC (International Film Guarantors LLC operates as a subsidiary of Fireman’s Fund Insurance), are taking part in Copyright Trolling for profit.   I don’t think Fireman’s Fund would be too happy to see their name associated with the trolls.


The cases are nothing special in terms of copyright trolling – just the standard boilerplate complaint.  Based on this and the fact that there appears to be a mortgage on the copyright, I really doubt the Plaintiff really wants to take this to trial.  Even having one trial is going to cost the Plaintiff more money than they want to spend.  Unless they can get a default judgment against someone with significant assets, quick settlement collections is the best way to repay the debt.  I don’t know the terms of the mortgage, but I’m sure the backing companies want their share up front.  Saying that, I would not simply ignore any settlement demands you might receive.


If you have any contact from the Trolls in these cases, please tell us what has been your experience.  I also know we have some people here who are very good at digging up interesting information.  Please share with us what you find.

DieTrollDie 🙂

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147 Responses to Need Cash? – Mortgage A Copyright To A Troll – TCYK, LLC

  1. Doe112 says:

    Got my extortion letter in the mail from from Hughes Socol Piers Resnick Dym in Chicago. They want $3,500 to settle by Nov. 1 or the amount goes up to $4,500.

  2. Doe112 says:

    DTD – I’ll scan and send this weekend.

    I talked to 2 attorneys in Chicago around August and they both suggested waiting as long as I felt I could handle the risk. Have not contacted an attorney since receiving this new letter.

    • Ban ban says:

      I also received an envelope package with the letter and the lawsuit Northern IL 1-112. They demand payment in full by Nov 1 of $3,500. I talked to a lawyer when i first received the letter from Comcast. I asked him if I should file a motion of quash, he said it was better to wait and see because TCYK was taking those Doe out of the general lawsuit and going after them in a single lawsuit. I am not trying to settle for $3,500 for something that they don’t know if i did not, just because the bill is under my name doesn’t mean i am guilty of downloading their movie. I’m broke, I got nothing for them to come after (house,car college degree, cetifications,whatever), even if they found me guilty and were asking me thousands of dollars I would just file for bankruptcy. These people just want to scare people and want that settlement money, that’s why people call them “TROLL COMPANIES”. Fuck these mother fuckers and their grandmas and grandpas and their fucking dogs and cats.. VIva La Revolucion!

  3. doe163 says:

    I got my letter in an email today. asking for $7500 to settle. I am surprised, I wasn’t in the country when this dowloading happened & Even if it happened don’t you get a warning (I read 6 times) that you’re downloading & after that you go thru the process of slowing your connection, then you get sued. I think they’re barking up the wrong tree.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      If possible, send me a copy of the letter – Which Plaintiff and movie(s) is this for?

      As far as the notices you are thinking of, most Trolls do not send DMCA take-down notices to ISP subscribers. The trolls usually only (if they do at all) send those notices to the ISPs to remove the search results showing their movies are available on the torrent sites.

      There is NO requirement that they send warning notices to the ISP subscribers. If they record the infringing activity, they are allowed to file a case. The 6-strike program you are thinking of is a voluntary program only.

      Even if you were out of the country, the Troll will point out that BitTorrent does not require a human presence for the program to continue running and to share out files. Many people who use BT keep it running all the time.

      DTD 🙂

    • Former doe says:

      I haven’t heard of receiving a demand letter via email(except ceg). What troll company was it?

  4. doe163 says:

    it’s for “the company you keep” I didn’t even hear about that movie, it wasn’t even in the theaters.
    I’ll forward the letter shortly.

  5. OJ says:

    I was just served the newest TCYC judgment. I have 60 days to return the Waiver of Service of Summons. I am not at all versed in the lawyer terms and lingo, if there is anyone out there that could help I would be forever greatful.

  6. Scott says:

    My 120 days is coming up soon…. Do you think it is best to wait till the court pushes to dismiss or should I file pro se?

  7. Snooper says:

    Just so you know, Fee Jefferies is really active with TCYK in Florida. I know of 15 people that they forced into settling for $750 to $5000. Catherine Yant from Fee is the main person that sends out the letters and emails.

  8. Doe (dont put real names) says:

    I have today received a letter from sky saying they received a court order from this company and have handed my details over to them … Apparently they have tracked me through my ip address … Any help appreciated

    • DieTrollDie says:

      Ok, to be able to possibly help, I need more information. Please email me a copy of the letter to dietrolldie@dietrolldie.Com.

    • Doe69 says:

      Hi mate.
      I recieved a letter from Sky,im interested to know how you go on.Citizens advice havent heard of this when i rang today.

      • DieTrollDie says:

        TorrenFreak has a new article on this development. I don’t know UK law, so it is hard to say if there is a good way to fight the release of information. You will likely get some sort of settlement demand letter from the Troll law firm representing TCYK. I would take a wait and see approach to see what they do. Most likely they will do nothing but threaten to sue. There is an extremely low chance of being actually sued in the US, so I bet it will be the same in the UK.

        DTD 🙂

      • doe says:

        I got in touch with sky Yday and today wrote to their legal dept … I’ve asked for a copy of the supposed court order and threatened them under data protection for releasing my details to a 3rd party because as I said to them an up address isn’t proof that I downloaded anything … I’ll let you know how it all goes … I was bothered when I got the letter Yday , today I realise it’s as useful as a bog paper and they’ll not be getting a penny off me …

  9. Doe69 says:

    What movie have we supposed to have downloaded because if its “The company you keep”i have not watched it or downloaded it unless i have memory loss.
    I like you am a sky customer and interested to see how you get on.Please update us with your findings and thankyou.
    Also thankyou to DTD.

    • DieTrollDie says:

      If it wasn’t you or other residents, it could have been a guest on the network or even a neighbor. Suggest you resecure the WiFi password And don’t free Give It out.

      DTD 🙂

    • doe says:

      Exactly the same as you mate sky have said the court order is for one alleged download that occurred within the last 24 mths (no date) the download being ” the company you keep” ….. I have never downloaded it or even watched it for that matter . My WiFi is secure as anything and as I pointed out to them on the phone an ip address used by me isn’t sufficient evidence that it was downloaded to my address as people have the ability to become untraceable and bounce signals from 1 ip to another , so someone across the other side of the world that’s computer savvy could be technically using my ip address , but I’ll update here as soon as I hear …. Thanks again DTD

  10. KaKa says:

    Hi all. I’m also in the UK and received the said letter from SKY on 9 March. Citizens Advice Bureau say they’ve had calls this week but cannot help much as they don’t know much.. any help appreciated

    • DieTrollDie says:

      No much information on this is available. Please keep us informed if possible. I suspect you will get a settlement demand letter from the local Troll attorney representing TCYK LLC. I seriously doubt it will go much beyond this, but you never know.

      DTD 🙂

  11. Doe (Don't Post Real Name) says:

    I got a letter from Sky and u are pretty much aware of whats going around in UK with TCYK LLC . I honestly downloaded movies and who does not ? Nobody needs CDs anymore . I have Macbook there isn’t a CDRom in it . Because of the torrent era . I can’t even recall when I bought the last DVD . They have gone crazy and deeply inspired with their business model to shower bags of money but i am financially badly stuck right now . I am a lot annoyed already and on top they sent a crappy letter yet volcano letter . I desperately need your advice and I can’t pay anything at all ! I would really appreciate if any help is given in this matter .

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I don’t know British copyright law, but based on what I saw with TCYK LLC in the US, my suggestion is to NOT contact the Troll and take a wait and see approach. I don’t have exact numbers on how many people like you got the letters, but is rumored to be a couple thousand. There is NO way the UK Troll handling this can take everyone to trial. So I say do nothing, except make sure the BT activity that got you into this stops and doesn’t start back up again. You may get a couple settlement demand letters in the mean time. I would also try to get a free consult from a UK attorney who understands Copyright Trolls. Again, I cannot promise you they will do nothing, BUT based on what I have have seen, it is extremely unlikely in my opinion.

      DTD 🙂

  12. Namrood says:

    Any one in the UK who has got one of these letters should contact or ring on 08008620157 or 02380235979. Ask for Michael Coyle. He is giving advise for free on these cases as they have had loads of them. For a small donation he will supply you with a template letter or you send your own. Either way he said there is a 99.9% the claim against the accused will fail.

    I have received one of these letters and rang to Trolls to inform them I had it. I asked them to confirm the time and date of the offence and where it happened. They gave it all to me. They said the IP address was linked to my address. I told them I will writ to them as request. I them contacted Michael and informed him of this. But I told Michael one bit of info that I didn’t tell TCYK, LLC. Which was I had moved into the property 1 and a half months after the suspected download happened.

    If you put the address that is on the letter you got which is 43 Berkley Square, London, W1J 5AP into google it will bring up who is in the building. Looks like quite a nice house in Mayfair in London. They have been there for 5 months only so TCYK, LLC must need to pay the rent on that place

  13. doe says:


    I got one of these letters last month. I responded to it using a template I found online, obviously denying the claims. Recently i received a letter responding to my letter and what i found most amusing was that they “couldn’t take what i said at face value because I got legal advice from internet forums and not a real solicitor.” Since when is a response from a solicitor required for someone to take you seriously? In this letter, as expected, they also demanded a settlement fee.

    I don’t plan on answering the second letter. I’ve already stated that I deny all the claims in the previous letter. What do you think, DTD? Am I doing the right thing?

    • DieTrollDie says:

      I think you are fine, but I wouldn’t bother with another response f I r now. I don’t know UK law, but it sounds like a BS comment from them concerning your response (because you didn’t use an attorney). I say hold off doing anything for now. Also, can you send me copies of the letters they sent. It will give me a better understanding. I will not post or release them.

      DTD 🙂

  14. UKDoe says:

    I received a letter from TCYK this morning, saying that I may not have downloaded the Film The Company that you Keep, but I was sharing it, I don`t understand as I haven`t downloaded any films, I have explained this to them not they are not interested and they have sent me an out of court settlement fee of £600. what should I do.

  15. doe says:

    I will not pay. They send me a letter demanding out of court settlement even my first laptop was bought 8 months after the alleged offence. I send them a letter demanding out of court settlement for wasting my time. The IP address which is ‘mine’ bounced back as located in Santiago- Chile. I am not paying a single penny.

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